K So Since There's Someone Who Actually Listens and Responds Now....

Steel Blossom·Aug 10, 2015·2 votes·881 views

Will there be ANY buff for , like, ever? He's pretty much absolute shit after his silence nerf. There really isn't anyone he counters anymore. Anything he does, do better. He pretty much doesn't counter anyone anymore. got a spell shield for his silence. will forever be cancer with her passive, W, and mimicked W. has nothing. He is probably the most underwhelming assassin in terms of mobility. He relies heavily on stealth to escape any unfavorable situation, but stealth is basically nonexistent above plat, where three vision wards gets dropped the moment you pop . Maybe add the silence to one of his other abilities, maybe make it so that he has to trigger it with an auto or another spell like Kat's Q, just, something for him. Please. TL;DR: 's vastly inferior to every other assassin. Fix that.

21 Comments

Nameless VoiceAug 10, 20154 votes

You know Talon has one of the highest winrates in Plat+ of all mid-laners, while also being fairly popular?

Steel BlossomAug 10, 20151 votes

Cuz he's easy to use, and everybody who plays him can use him to about 80% of his full potential lol

SSJTribeAug 10, 20155 votes

aka, he doesn't need a buff

Steel BlossomAug 10, 20151 votes

I'm saying that his winrate and stuff are not because he's strong, but because it's easy to play him...

KeyoshiAug 10, 20154 votes

So if he's easy to play and sits at a good level, why does he need buffs? Talon is fine.

Steel BlossomAug 10, 20151 votes

Cuz he's actually shit compared to the potential other assassins have...for example, Zed can do a lot more than Talon, but people aren't good enough to play Zed to his full potential. It really isn't fair that Talon brings so much less to the table, right...

KeyoshiAug 11, 20152 votes

Uhh, Talon is a counter to zed. I don't know about you but most talons beat zeds. Talon just has to the tools/burst to deal with zed. Talon is a more balanced assassin imo.

Steel BlossomAug 12, 20151 votes

Talon is a counter to Zed IF the Talon is good at dodging skillshots lol.

Shroom JunkieAug 12, 20152 votes

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Talon is a counter to Zed IF the Talon is good at dodging skillshots lol.

If the Talon isn't good at dodging skillshots than its probably low enough elo that the Zed can't throw them very well anyway.

Steel BlossomAug 14, 20151 votes

But then if you CAN dodge skillshots, you counter Zed on anyone. If he can't put pokes on you, he can't really all-in for kills.

Shroom JunkieAug 14, 20152 votes

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But then if you CAN dodge skillshots, you counter Zed on anyone. If he can't put pokes on you, he can't really all-in for kills.

If you can dodge skill shots you counter a multitude of champions. However, many people know how to effectively memorize your reactions and fit their skillshots to it so that you never know where they'll throw it, and you're bound to get hit by one at one point or another.

Steel BlossomAug 15, 20151 votes

What exactly is the point of picking a Talon into Zed if anyone can counter Zed by dodging Zed's Q lol. Zed can get vision wards to counter Talon's ult, Talon has to wait 1250G to buy QSS to counter Zed's ult, and QSS gives flat MR only, so Talon's kill potential will be greatly crippled.

Shroom JunkieAug 10, 20152 votes

Talon is one of the best team fight assassins in the game. He can jump in, Rake, ult, and get out and now almost everyone on the enemy team has suffered his entire kit as if it were one person. Byebye ADC, APC, and most the health bar of a fighter(maybe all if he's fed).

Steel BlossomAug 11, 20151 votes

First of all in this League of Tank his AOE is pretty pathetic....also, he should be killed the moment he jumps in at higher elos...

Shroom JunkieAug 11, 20153 votes

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First of all in this League of Tank his AOE is pretty pathetic....

Really? Because an ADC is tanky? Or an APC? Or other assassins for that matter? Yeah, no, lol.

also, he should be killed the moment he jumps in at higher elos...

Not really. He jumps in, Rakes, and then ults. Not much you can do in the split second it takes him to unleash his combo.

Steel BlossomAug 12, 20151 votes

K, how many squishies do you have on one team? Ideally the team is 3 tanks/bruisers and 2 squishies. Talon can only oneshot the squishies if they stand together and LET HIM DO HIS COMBO. In anything above gold, vision wards go down before fights even start. Say, a fight contesting Baron/Dragon/ally tower. Boom, 3 fucking vision wards. You go in, and they focus you down.

Shroom JunkieAug 12, 20152 votes

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K, how many squishies do you have on one team? Ideally the team is 3 tanks/bruisers and 2 squishies. Talon can only oneshot the squishies if they stand together and LET HIM DO HIS COMBO. In anything above gold, vision wards go down before fights even start. Say, a fight contesting Baron/Dragon/ally tower. Boom, 3 fucking vision wards. You go in, and they focus you down.

But not every team is ideal. A lot of teams can be 1 tank, 1 bruiser, and 3 squishies, or 2 tanks and 3 squishies, or heck just one tank and 4 squishies(Granted that's pretty bad, but sometimes its just unavoidable). Either way, that's always been the 'ideal' for at least 2 tanks or bruisers, because you need a front line. The "League of Tanks" has come and gone with Cinderhulk, it did so much damage to everyone in an AOE and gave extra percent health that even bruiser top laners like Darius would take it. Sometimes they still do, but the main reason of the 'tank meta' was because they could deal so much damage with it, that it did perfectly on people like Sion who scaled with health throughout the game, or Mundo who pretty much just builds health, or Shyvanas who usually just build BotRK and then full tank.

Steel BlossomAug 14, 20151 votes

Lol what assassin doesn't succeed in a 3~4 squishy comp? Also, armor is still insanely effective, and one Randuin's basically means that you won't lose over half HP to Talon's AOE, no matter how fed he is.

Shroom JunkieAug 14, 20152 votes

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Lol what assassin doesn't succeed in a 3~4 squishy comp? Also, armor is still insanely effective, and one Randuin's basically means that you won't lose over half HP to Talon's AOE, no matter how fed he is.

brb building randiun's on

And even if the enemy team does build armor, you can still use a Last Whisper and Youmuu's.

Steel BlossomAug 15, 20151 votes

If you're AP you can just Zhonya Talon's burst lmfao. Also, you can counter build armor, but it's still gonna get in the way of you dealing damage. Armorpen items make armor less effective, but they don't completely remove the armor. You're still gonna deal less damage, and since Talon only have the one blink with his E, one rotation is all he's gonna get. If he doesn't kill his target in one rotation, he's not gonna kill that target. He can't back out like Zed and still be throwing spells in from afar with shadows...