Vanye with one item is better than most champs with 2

Vaynes W is a fucking oxymoron. It's True damage that scales of Max HP. The counter to True Damage has always been building health, but against her, that shit doesn't matter. She could be 2/19/1 and still three-shot you on the virtue of just being Vayne. She will never be balanced. My first "break" from League was when she was released. She was dumb then and she is dumb now.

We've talked about guinsoo's plenty of times on Vayne Mains.

Most of us want it not apply Silver Bolts twice.

She had a prestige skin come out right after the buff. She was chosen to be meta.

Indeed, Botrk is the main problem, it synergizes too well with her kit and its build path pretty much removes any early game weakness she would otherwise have. Coupled with Guinsoo's, she essentially becomes a raid boss that cannot be itemized against, only bursted down. This would be fine if she didn't have the capacity to permakite 90% of melee champions, while simultaneously shred-bursting them.

Then she also was directly buffed, so she has a lot going for her right now. Can't blame people for spamming her.

This statement is false, lol

were 3 month into vayne being global pick or ban with absurd stats because shes broken as shit.

western phenomenon guys.

They literslly just nerfed BoTRK...

So this week's moan thread is back to vayne. Without Bork other adcs have no tank shredding options, rageblade is not as op as everyone makes it out to be only a select few champions use it and you don't see them every game. Vayne on 2 items can still be shut down if you play around it properly, or if she's an early pick you draft properly. Her Laning is bad and she has no wave clear, if you let her get to late that's on you.

Stop moaning for crying out loud.

Literally no part of this is true.

Maybe you meant to post to memes and games instead?

She is still in this state because Riot does not care.. Look at match making. Should I say more?

answer: koreans

as how it goes with Riven. they wont nerf champs if koreans think it does not need so. like Riven is going rampage and like parasite destroying top lane. while majority want its ass nerfed Rito wont do it because one region thinks it fine while the rest thinks it is not.

in better explanation: we are under the mercy of our korean overlords. if they want something buffed its they decide and if nerfed they decide. so we will see champs like Vayne stay like this for a half season of maybe this entire season

vayne goes toplane hey im a late game champ, so im not too strong early, il die quickly but i am ranged so i have some saftey outscales most melee toplaners after lvl 6 with starting items hehexd i reached late game now

Even saying vayne is better with 2 items than most champs are with 3 is debatable.

1 item vs 2? No way in hell.

In that scenario she is worse than every adc, every assassin, every mage, every fighter, most bruisers and tanks, and even some supports (Depending on builds).

She would have to heavily outplay them to win or they would have to miss all of their abilities. Likely multiple times too.

I don't care if you want to circle jerk, but at least try to make it slightly believable.

Even saying vayne with two items is "better" than most champs with three would be debatable.

One vs two items? Hell no vayne hard loses to every adc, every mage, every assassin, every fighter, every bruiser, most juggernauts, most tanks, and even some supports (depending on build).

Her only chance is hard outplaying the enemy or them missing all of their abilities. She's definitely not "better" than any of them.

Pretty simple fix. Remove Rageblade from the game completely along side Spear and nerf the defensive side of champions that are hyper carries like for example Yasuo shield and wind wall and Kayle R also Vayne stealth / movement speed. In other games when a champion/hero is considered a 'hyper carry' or 'mid / late game' they normally are high risk high reward and are designed to have good ways of outputting damage and even cleaning up an entire team if left alone in team fights but has the downside of lacking defensive tools but these champions alongside items like Qss or Death's dance Hourglass GA on top of the abilities they already have just make them out to be huge problematic unbalanced champions that nobody wants to play against and a lot of times don't want of their team.. Riots design flaws have always been they give these champions items and abilities that allow them 'misplay proof' meaning they can get hit by a hard CC or even major damaging abilities and blow it off like nothing happened or even while being focused they have ways to take less damage like or have the mobility to avoid damage like Vayne R or Kayle R or Yi movement speed on top of Q and W with items like Death's Dance or Phantom Dancer and life steal. In my honest opinion there has to be major changes done to the game when it comes to items and champion designs like for example a champion like Yasuo should not have an amazing laning phase vs most champions unless he plays against something like Riven or Irelia or Darius ect but when against a mage who has amazing harass or even a ranged ADC ect he shouldn't be allowed to just completely have free all ins or trades due to wind wall and his shield passive on top of mobility with his E, this just make it so he HAS to make mistakes in order to lose instead of the enemy making plays in order to win so for example a Yasuo spamming E through minions to reach a champion just to E into their CC since he can't use W while in mid E. I'd like to see champions who have insane scalings to have more weaknesses like a more poor lane phase or have to reach things like 3 items or 4 items ect in order to actually do high damage instead of something like Yasuo getting Shiv / PD then being able to kill you within mere seconds without you having a chance to actually do anything as most champions. And yes I know I used Yasuo a lot as examples but he is a huge example of a poor designed hyper carry. Also Rageblade and Spear and poor designed items that not just hyper carries can abuse but majority of bruisers and ADCs ect and they add too much damage / problematic toxicity for champions.