why do we even have matchmaking

faure·Sep 13, 2018·22 votes·9,935 views

https://imgur.com/DMklaRI

if the games are going to look like this?

seriously

45 Comments

crispy66Sep 14, 201813 votes

that's a normal game buddy, normals have their own mmr

Nea104Sep 14, 20182 votes

And? That system is simply absurd, and the result is that shame over there.

Bμbble ButtSep 14, 20182 votes

It's a normal game though. It's not to be taken seriously anyways.

Nea104Sep 14, 20181 votes

Of course, it's not about winning or losing. But, a Plat elo vs. not even 30 level players is just pointless, anti-fun, and wrong under every aspect, from coding to fairness. If I play Normals, especially with some friends, I expect to find a fair and balanced game (almost), in order to equally compete (i.e., play), and have fun. Sure, there could be slightly better opponents, that's good. But a stomp is just awkard, in a fair game.

This system is an abomination, and they haven't done anything about it, since it assures fast queues and some easy control about winrates. That's all :)

2Charmnot2CharmSep 14, 20181 votes

Non level 30's in a plat lobby tend to be smurfs or the plat players don't take normal games that serious, so the new player has nothing to worry about.

What are you going to complain about next? Players that don't play much rank games destroying you and your friends whenever they decide to win a game?

Stop being so scared of players ranking in a NORMAL game and just play the damn game. If the plat+ players wanted to stomp bronze-gold players so bad they can just play flex or get a smurf.

Nea104Sep 14, 20181 votes

Guess you haven't looked at the picture right over here :D Plus, it happens constantly, because this system makes no sense. Normals or not, it's not that difficult to understand that people should have fair games. That's all.

2Charmnot2CharmSep 14, 20181 votes

and who's fault was that? https://i.imgur.com/DVO9ecO.png

HaIlMonitorSep 15, 20182 votes

Sadly people take norms way more serious then anywhere else. Whenever I go in there its always who has the most Diamonds or plats and meta champs win.

kaellidorSep 15, 20182 votes

ive never met someone getting or giving the ass beating thats said just normals :P it would be considered inting if you dont try.

crispy66Sep 15, 20181 votes

there is no "and" each individual has different ranked mmr but all share the same normals mmr, there's nothing wrong with match making in this picture

Nea104Sep 15, 20181 votes

Sure, totally fair and regular to match Diamond-skilled players with under-30-skilled players, just because "Normals".

MrFawknSunshineSep 13, 20185 votes

normal game the match making is wack.

i am unranked and i get placed with and against gold, plat and diamond players (was formally gold in season 5 quit rank cuz i just play for fun )

riot says normal game mmr and ranked mmr are separate and the rank mmr dont influence normal mmr

go figure. i have tried to get them to address this for 2 years now.

SalronSep 14, 20185 votes

Norms have their own MMR Why does this surprise you

Nea104Sep 14, 20181 votes

It's still a shame, and there's no reason to allow that kind of stomps just because "not the same MMR".

4evaSep 14, 20185 votes

[deleted]

AyzevSep 14, 20181 votes

Low elo or not, there's still a significant difference between low silver to low gold and mid gold to low plat. And let's not even talk about those poor pre-30s.

Summonah12369Sep 14, 20183 votes

Jesus low ELOs going against an almost full team of gold.

Sharpest glassesSep 14, 20185 votes

Gold is low elo too... just saying

Summonah12369Sep 14, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sharpest glasses,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O9ysnLAE,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-09-14T11:59:14.254+0000)

Gold is low elo too... just saying

Ik that but the fact that it's fucking silver and bronzies against 4 golds.

StupaflySep 14, 20183 votes

The fact that this is normals and your position in ranked has 0 weight.

Summonah12369Sep 14, 20181 votes

{quoted}

The fact that this is normals and your position in ranked has 0 weight.

I don't play on this account anymore.

Jerry SeinfeIdSep 14, 20183 votes

he means the game in this post is normals, so their ranked mmr doesn't matter.

Sharpest glassesSep 14, 20182 votes

fair enough

2Charmnot2CharmSep 14, 20181 votes

gold and plat players are a fucking joke anyways.

Instead of blaming how op's game went cause of player ranking why don't we look at his team and the enemy team's champions.

If that was plat+ game I would be surprised to see blue team winning, hell it would be a miracle if they somehow make it pass the laning phase without dying.

Then there is the fact Blue team's champions are even easier to screw up with and when you have low elo players piloting such champs it's a disaster.

Op would have lost that match even if player rankings were the same now quit your whining.

Summonah12369Sep 14, 20181 votes

{quoted}

gold and plat players are a fucking joke anyways.

Instead of blaming how op's game went cause of player ranking why don't we look at his team and the enemy team's champions.

If that was plat+ game I would be surprised to see blue team winning, hell it would be a miracle if they somehow make it pass the laning phase without dying.

Then there is the fact Blue team's champions are even easier to screw up with and when you have low elo players piloting such champs it's a disaster.

Op would have lost that match even if player rankings were the same now quit your whining.

Bro I played against a diamond player who played Jhin , he fed hard XD. I was playing Goddamn Nidalee, who is my main, this WAS ranked, I am low elo. It was promo games.

ZaFishboneSep 14, 20183 votes

Why do you even play normals?

Jerry SeinfeIdSep 14, 20182 votes

why do you even play ranked?

faureSep 14, 20182 votes

It's absurd, they could at least average the two ranks for normal. either way, it seems hard to believe that even with separate ranks for each queue, that a lineup like this would be possible

MrFawknSunshineSep 14, 20182 votes

{quoted}

It's absurd, they could at least average the two ranks for normal. either way, it seems hard to believe that even with separate ranks for each queue, that a lineup like this would be possible

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AokymFeE-love-match-making

i made this post the other night

and another one a few days before that

Nea104Sep 14, 20181 votes

"Working as intended" :D

MrFawknSunshineSep 14, 20182 votes

{quoted}

"Working as intended" :D

sure is. that is why last night i had a master tier adc on my team in a normal game.

MrFawknSunshineSep 14, 20182 votes

just thought you might find it funny to know i just finished a normal game where my adc was master tier

FKIN SPEARS SONSep 14, 20181 votes

rip

JalixSep 14, 20181 votes

honestly, i wouldn't mind the game forcing anyone below level 30 to be paired off with others below 30, i think thats how it was back when dominion existed idk i remember having more fun back then, i really miss dominion and i havent really played alistar since it was removed aside from a couple times.

now with infinite levels, Diamond players in season 1 quitting for like 5 seasons coming back and finding out about challenger or having to shake the rust off it would be a bit harder to que those at 30+ but what about taking their average KDA and win/loss % to make an MMR for casual play? itd be an invisible number so people dont freak but itd also allow them to get better by playing against people closer to their skill level.

itll also mean smurfs only really harass people below 30 then once the smurfs 30 it might as well play ranked and harass the people lower ranked then their main as theyd likely be qued off with diamond players or master tier players in casual - assuming players this high even bother with smurfs anymore

StupaflySep 14, 20181 votes

I think that depends on the player.

If i was forced to re-create an account and level up, i would feel fine playing with 30's

edit: thinking about it more, as long as they game you full runes n shit.

JalixSep 15, 20181 votes

{quoted}

I think that depends on the player.

If i was forced to re-create an account and level up, i would feel fine playing with 30's

edit: thinking about it more, as long as they game you full runes n shit.

if i was forced to make a new account id quit, i only buy heroes i like, i use aram/free rotation to test ones i dont have, and ofc modes like odyssey help a little to, been wanting to try out yasuo for a bit kinda like his playstyle, i feel he has a nice advantage against mages as a lot of people i know even one thats gold/plat has issues with his wind wall when using ahri.

and as far as support goes i pretty much only like sona

TheorcheroSep 14, 20181 votes

You seem to have a lot of misconceptions about how matchmaking works.

Let me try to help you with that.

Normals mmr is completely separate from ranked MMR, the only exception is that sometimes your normals MMR affects your ranked MMR for initial placements if you've never played ranked but lots of norms. That's not always the case, but it is suspected.

However, what affects normals far more than your average mmr is premades. Now, we've known for a long time that Riot will stack the deck against you when you have a premade on your team, if you duo in ranked your teammates will be placed against stronger and stronger opponents because they're supposed to lose lane and you carry them. This is to attempt to alleviate duo boosting, it won't make the game unwinnable in most cases, but it does make it more difficult.

This effect happens on steroids in normals game, especially if you have one teammate who has higher than average MMR, the higher their mmr the worse the effects on the enemy team will typically be. Plat players with diamond mmr will experience this significantly more, and gold players with plat mmr less, and gold players with slightly higher mmr the least.

Regardless, the higher the relative mmr of your team, which centers around your highest MMR player as well as how large your group is, they will try t obalance it. If you are a 3 man, you will go against either lower 5 man or higher duo/solo players, with average being even at 3-2 groups.

TLDR: stop having large premades and it will rarely if at all happen, unless you're higher elo.

Darkstar AnnieSep 14, 20181 votes

Levels below 30 should definitely be restricted to just levels below 30 in match making. But if the gold 5 player invited them into his game, this is what complicates things. I'd like to assume this would never happen to a level 25 if they queued Normals solo.

GripaAviaraSep 14, 20181 votes

It's normal

KlRlUSSep 14, 20181 votes

Yeah sub 30s and a never ranked totally have huge MMRs lul. proof when I was leveling: https://imgur.com/TcZnVEu

Last BreàthSep 14, 20181 votes

https://imgur.com/a/EbMbX66

The Yasuo was me. ( smurf in eune mostly used to play with old friends) When I played this game my account was level 31 and the system put me vs a challenger.

Note: The blanked parts are ads, my tabs, player names. ( i just noticed you can see my smurfs name by the URL, but .... meh whatever)

SugeMinPikkSep 14, 20181 votes

It's norms lol

SaezioSep 14, 20181 votes

well the normal MMR of an account can be really low because most don't ever play normals. And ranked shouldn't affect mmr on normals. It is 2 different things. Same way your normal and ranked MMR don't have nothing to do with your ARAM matchmaking. Its different things