Legit nothing feels worse

FOR JUSTICE·Feb 3, 2019·14 votes·9,638 views

then trying to carry deadweights. ofc i know its a normal but hot damn

https://imgur.com/a/MKYFUQ4

no matter if its norms, flex, or solo/duo, HOW DO SMURFS DO IT??? WHAT COULD I HAVE DONE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[sg-shisa]

/rant

26 Comments

SyrileFeb 3, 20194 votes

Yeah.. it really is a problem.

Yara0Feb 4, 20192 votes

You got fed on an ADC not on something that 1 shots everything in the game with one button. Thats the problem.

LTK KoRoFeb 4, 20194 votes

Yeah, ADC needs three rightclicks to kill someone, not an one button. Big difference.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 4, 20191 votes

Yep, one happens in ....about 1-2 seconds the other can be anything from 0,2 seconds to 2.

Auto attacks are too slow^^

LTK KoRoFeb 4, 20192 votes

three rightclick happen in 1.5 secs by lategame ADC (unless he uses HoB or LT, then it can be even faster), while most of the assassins, like Zed or Talon are gated by their delayed R pop or Passive respectively

ThefrostyvikingFeb 4, 20191 votes

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three rightclick happen in 1.5 secs by lategame ADC (unless he uses HoB or LT, then it can be even faster), while most of the assassins, like Zed or Talon are gated by their delayed R pop or Passive respectively

I know for a fact that while Talon gives his enemy an alert when he ults (as in you see the blade ring) he can still kill someone in like 0,5 seconds once its activated.....and his passive instantly triggers from just landing everything.

Doesnt matter if i know he is coming if i cant really react to it.

Zed does have a delay though i admit that,eve as well, but many other assassins dont really have one that is even remotely meaningful anymore.

I mean how does it help my carry ass if say Fizz/kata flashes then gapcloses ontop me over a wall and kills me in 2 hits before anyone even realizes they are there?

Some AD jarvan going E-Q-R-AA and blowing me to kingdom come....goes for lee sin too.

Shaco walking up behind me invisible with some build like item 3147 item 3142 item 3078 item 3095 item 3087 item 3074 and just instantly killing me?

Many, many assassin do not give any form of meaningful reaction time or counterplay, hells rengar can hit killtimes as low as 0,1 seconds when fed.

LTK KoRoFeb 4, 20192 votes

Talon actually needs to hit all his spells and then AA you, which isn't as simple as it sounds since his Q isn't an AA but it "lags" his aa timer.

Fizz without hitting his fish is useless, unless stupidly fed

I agree that Shaco, Rengar and Kata are stupid as fed assassins right now, and full AD jarvan and lee are cheese builds, they work only if you're left alone.

There are some assassins which have stupidly low TTK, but most of them are balanced and have relevant counterplay. Hell, most prominent no-counterplay oneshotters in game are: -mages (LeBlanc, Syndra, Veigar, full ap vlad, etc) -full AD bruisers (said Lee, Jarvan, Vi, etc) -ADCs (Vayne, MF)

ThefrostyvikingFeb 4, 20191 votes

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Talon actually needs to hit all his spells and then AA you, which isn't as simple as it sounds since his Q isn't an AA but it "lags" his aa timer.

I mean, he can just R-Q-W- item 3077 -AA and its a near instant combo.

Fizz without hitting his fish is useless, unless stupidly fed

Fish with Sheen at 6, electrocute for runes+20 AP and ignite summoner.

Q =140 AD damage and 11 AP.

W = 118 AP damage + onhit buff for his next autos being 15 AP+35% AP per hit, this ability is a auto reset.

E = 185 + 60% slow.

Ignite =170.

Electrolute = 80.

Total pre resistances = 704, post resistances about 530.

Ashe at 6 with a dorans blade has like 950 health.

So even without landing his shark, using sheen a second time or auto attacking extra he can with his take out about 50% health almost instantly with only 20 extra AP and a single sheen proc.

Lategame with 700 AP? Doesnt matter if he misses the shark, target dies anyway, and not even Janna can save them if he does land it from the second stage or up.

I agree that Shaco, Rengar and Kata are stupid as fed assassins right now, and full AD jarvan and lee are cheese builds, they work only if you're left alone.

They dont even have to be that fed, as long as they stay even with enemy carries in gold they can usually oneshot them.

And left alone? Jarvan can literally just dive in E-Q-R-AA and kill someone when he has a high AD build and enemy team lacks something that can interrup him instantly like lulu/Janna, and that combo of his is extremely fast too.

There are some assassins which have stupidly low TTK, but most of them are balanced and have relevant counterplay. Hell, most prominent no-counterplay oneshotters in game are: -mages (LeBlanc, Syndra, Veigar, full ap vlad, etc)

While i agree on most these i´d make a case for Syndra and vlad.

Syndra to get a true delete off needs extra spheres which require time to stack, and while vlad can truly detonate someone with a full combo is still fully visible, you know he is coming and what he is gona try to do which makes avoiding it much easier.

No argument for the later veig Q-R or LB though.

-full AD bruisers (said Lee, Jarvan, Vi, etc)

I find Vi to be mostly tolerable, i mean she usually wants to land a charged Q on you which gives time to react.

-ADCs (Vayne, MF)

True this too, Vayne is a abomination that can do as much as 3-4 k true damage in the same amount of seconds by 3 items, MF has such nasty synergy with every single external AD burst booster there is along with her passive which enables her to oneshot or nearly do so with just a single auto later on.

Reminds me though, Riot were supposed to make it impossible to get buy and have duskblade and Stormrazor at the same time,,,,,, i guess i forgot about that.

But when it comes to assassins and lack of reaction time.......even though he isnt one by definition Rengar is almost always played as one, his KT (kill time) has the potential is one of the lowest in the game.

Shaco, Talon, kha6, kayn, kassadin, Diana (if counted same as rengar) and Katarina all similarly can fairly easily detonate someone before they even know what is going on.

Although Shaco, Talon, kha6, rengar and kayn are the main ones i take issue with.

Yara0Feb 5, 20192 votes

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I know for a fact that while Talon gives his enemy an alert when he ults (as in you see the blade ring) he can still kill someone in like 0,5 seconds once its activated.....and his passive instantly triggers from just landing everything.

Doesnt matter if i know he is coming if i cant really react to it.

Zed does have a delay though i admit that,eve as well, but many other assassins dont really have one that is even remotely meaningful anymore.

I mean how does it help my carry ass if say Fizz/kata flashes then gapcloses ontop me over a wall and kills me in 2 hits before anyone even realizes they are there?

Some AD jarvan going E-Q-R-AA and blowing me to kingdom come....goes for lee sin too.

Shaco walking up behind me invisible with some build like and just instantly killing me?

Many, many assassin do not give any form of meaningful reaction time or counterplay, hells rengar can hit killtimes as low as 0,1 seconds when fed.

I've had rengar kill me in .0 seconds because it was faster then the game could fucking measure.

xDogMeatxFeb 4, 20191 votes

you mean 1 right click 3 autos lel

Yara0Feb 5, 20191 votes

Less time for your team to fuck you over. When the game has people dying in .3 seconds even better if you play a champ with 2/3 dashes so you can just do whatever the fuck you want in a fight then leave.

DeracadaVenomFeb 4, 20191 votes

True

FOR JUSTICEFeb 4, 20191 votes

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True

legit shit like this makes me want to shout as loud as i can

https://imgur.com/a/q37IJyO

DeracadaVenomFeb 4, 20191 votes

Today I got shit on my a garen because hes a FUCKING NO BRAIN POG CHAMP and I felt like screaming and punching through a wall. Probably the same feeling idk im iron a cant get close to carrying

ThisName1sDumbFeb 4, 20191 votes

I've had some similar games recently. Definitely doesn't feel great, but as long as your consistent about playing well you'll win more than you lose. (Unless you're really unlucky)

14daysuspensionkFeb 4, 20191 votes

https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2124421368/230582330?tab=overview

Got fuken A+ :(

Farm With JayceFeb 4, 20191 votes

If you want the real answer to how smurfs do it, you need to shove wave and roam. More specifically, push wave to tower, go to enemy jungle, ward it up and prioritize trying to kill him. Always go where you think the next fight is going to happen, one wave of minions is only 100 gold, winning a team fight could be a potential 1k-2k gold.

DarwinTheoryFeb 4, 20191 votes

I downvoted you. Becuase it's obvious Khazix knew what he was doing and ganked Garen who is countered by Darius and ignored bot allowing you to get fed.

Either you carried or Kha and Garen did. It was a judgment call and a good one.

FOR JUSTICEFeb 4, 20191 votes

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I downvoted you. Becuase it's obvious Khazix knew what he was doing and ganked Garen who is countered by Darius and ignored bot allowing you to get fed.

Either you carried or Kha and Garen did. It was a judgment call and a good one.

except....

this makes no sense considering mid and jungle were the ones to fall behind. darius didnt start dying until midgame, AFTER they were already fed. his first death was first blood, but he literally did not die again until 14 minutes into the game, and even then it was due to a katarina roam.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 4, 20191 votes

OP you had 2 fed enemies and everyone else on your team were basically nonexistant.

2>1.

FOR JUSTICEFeb 4, 20191 votes

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OP you had 2 fed enemies and everyone else on your team were basically nonexistant.

2>1.

thats kind of my point, but you have people like SRO who can do it with a troll build AND offmeta, jay sea can do it independently of his botlane or jungler on champions he doesnt even play, etc.

so how come they can carry their weight and then some, but its nearly impossible for me to? this is the million dollar question im trying to figure out.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 4, 20191 votes

Dont those guys have at least 1 or 2 functioning team members?

I mean sure, those others may not be glorious or notable however as long as they are able to contest the enemy team then they are enough,,,when you have multiple feeders instead it becomes hopeless.

LeftyRaydyFeb 4, 20191 votes

I find it easiest to carry from Mid lane. I assist every lane I can including the jungler to get a nice win.

Troll SlaiyerFeb 4, 20191 votes

if it was ranked it would feel worse so u r kind of wrong.

FOR JUSTICEFeb 4, 20191 votes

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if it was ranked it would feel worse so u r kind of wrong.

i guess thats true, but no matter the mode the need to carry around extra baggage always remains.