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Occams Raiser··2 votes·611 views

I just got done failing my last promo game. I have to say after being a part of this experience for the first time, getting out of bronze/silver solo queue (lower 48%) must be pretty hard. Some have said that solo queue isn't an accurate representation of a player skill because of so many variables involved. The high ELO people would probably disagree. Those that are closer to the source of the problem might agree more.

I thought out of 6 divisions being in the bottom 3 wasn't any better than being fourth place in anything else. I am new to ranked but I am starting to see that it isn't important to most people. They kind of treat it like normals at this level. "Imma pick who I want whether it's good for the team or not. We don't have a tank and I'm last pick. I'll play Soraka. Lock in."

It's just my opinion. People are a mixed bag in this community.

In 2014 LOL Riot Post:

Over 67 million players battle it out in League every month

More than 27 million people play at least one game of League every day

Over 7.5 million players simultaneously play League during daily peak hours

If 10% are trolls or people who just don't give a shit: That's about 700,000 (I'll be generous) Thats scary!

Riot says only 1% percent of the community is toxic. IS THAT ALMOST 75,000 PURE ASSHOLES RUNNING RAMPANT!?!?!?!?!?!

No less than 75,000 games are ruined on a daily basis! How do we ever get a good game?

I'm going to stop being so hard on myself (and others). I bet this was a real fun game before all the bullshit.

28 Comments

Joe Dredd1 votes

You get good games because going by those statistics only 1/10 games is troll. To have two troll games in a row is 1/100 chance.

Occams Raiser1 votes

But besides yourself there are 9 other people. Each one has a chance of trolling. This is assuming that you aren't the troll, the toxic, or the one that doesn't give a shit. I think there is a one in ten chance that there is troll in your game. It is not 1 out of every ten is trolled. Google "gambler's fallacy". On top of that, trolls play more than once a day like everyone else. I once spectated 2 games this guy played after he trolled my game. I was curious to see if he sucked or if he was trolling. After reviewing the 3 games plus his record.... turned out to be a bit of both. That was just in one day.

I never thought about the 2 troll scenario cause your time is more than likely wasted from just one.

Joe Dredd1 votes

I think there is a one in ten chance that there is troll in your game. It is not 1 out of every ten is trolled.

what and do you not understand statistics? If 1 of every hundred is toxic, and there are 10 people per game, there is a 10% chance that you will have a toxic person in your game. 100% - 10% means 90% of games will not have a troll.

Occams Raiser1 votes

So you didn't google "gambler's fallacy"?

Joe Dredd1 votes

I know what it is. You don't know how to apply it though. Gambler's fallacy would be me saying "Since I was trolled last game, now there is only a 1% of me getting trolled next game" That is incorrect. There is still a 10% chance of me being trolled. However, the probability of the two events (being trolled) happening twice in a row is still 1%.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I'm trying to wrap my head around what you are saying. I get it I guess, but I can't believe that this holds up in practice. Are you saying that in 100 games you will be trolled less than 10 games? On average even? We have to account for the fact that if a troll gets in a game with another troll he will find that unsatisfying and troll again. We also know that the average summoner plays more than one game a day.

What variables must I be leaving out? Some how I still think there is an exponential component to this that increases it beyond 1%. Maybe I am just grouping too many of the unskilled in with the trolls. Wouldn't this mean that there are players that almost never get trolled? Funny that Plat-Challenger is 10% of all players. (Scratching my chin)

Joe Dredd1 votes

idk im like top 5% atm. But honestly, your problem might not be that you are getting trolled. It may be that people just have bad games.

Occams Raiser1 votes

It doesn't seem to be just me. You might be right though. I have never had the best of luck.

Angry Monster1 votes

this is false. Actual MMR makes a difference along with which que you are playing. Their are assholes on all elos but the trolls are mostly s3 or lower with random pockets getting smaller as you go up the MMR ladder.

Also the mmr pool gets smaller from sliver to bronze.

http://www.lolsummoners.com/stats

actually tolling happens more at b2 to s3 where the greatest number of players are.

Joe Dredd1 votes

That doesn't prove my general statement wrong.

Angry Monster1 votes

actually it does.

Joe Dredd1 votes

No, it doesn't. You're citing outliers in order to prove a general statement wrong, but if we also take in the players who almost never experience trolls, we can see that, on average, a player will be in a match with a troll every 10 games.

Angry Monster1 votes

You missed the part where the trolls are around the same Elo. As you get higher u get less trolls over all. I can honestly say in my last year of ranked I did not have a troll in game. I have questioned the thinking process and skill of my team mates, but I never thought that this guy wants to lose or is trying to make others miserable.

Joe Dredd1 votes

I had a troll teemo and evelynn like a month ago lel. Evelynn called adc and then went top and said she was top adc teemo called brush and sat in a bush all game

Win1Ocent1 votes

It is a common misconception that all toxic players are in bronze and silver. I've heard so many players say, "If only i was gold or higher i would be able to win more games". Truth is, it never changes. I see trolls in gold, in platinum and in diamond. A lot of players are good guys, picks for the team etc, but all it takes is 1 bad guy to give you the illusion that every other player is toxic.

Even in diamond i see last picks complaining about what they can't play, i see troll picks, i see ragers, people disconnect, afk and people give up.

Even with toxic players, solo queue is about individual skill, and it does accurately showcase your skill, not after 5-10 games, but the more games you play, the closer you get to where you truly belong. I believe that some players lose their first 5-10 games because of toxic players, but if someone were to say, "i am silver because of toxic players" after player 200+ games, i won't believe that for a second.

Hasztalan21 votes

{quoted}

It is a common misconception that all toxic players are in bronze and silver. I've heard so many players say, "If only i was gold or higher i would be able to win more games". Truth is, it never changes. I see trolls in gold, in platinum and in diamond. A lot of players are good guys, picks for the team etc, but all it takes is 1 bad guy to give you the illusion that every other player is toxic.

Even in diamond i see last picks complaining about what they can't play, i see troll picks, i see ragers, people disconnect, afk and people give up.

Even with toxic players, solo queue is about individual skill, and it does accurately showcase your skill, not after 5-10 games, but the more games you play, the closer you get to where you truly belong. I believe that some players lose their first 5-10 games because of toxic players, but if someone were to say, "i am silver because of toxic players" after player 200+ games, i won't believe that for a second.

The truth has been spoken ladies and gents.

Also what ppl at bronze/silver/gold elo cannot understand that it's all the same. Wether you are a bronze/silver or gold u still belong in the major "trash can" group and you are in need of self improvement.

So l2p and gitgud son.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I wasn't completely clear in my two points.

  1. It is pretty hard to move in levels at all considering all the trolls. I should give more credit to those that make it out of silver. I had previously not.

  2. I was just hoping that more people as a percentage gave shit as you went up. i have a hard time believing that the "percentage per division" is the same considering how hard it is to climb and the amount of time you must put into the game to get there.

  3. Premade teams would be a better representation of your skill. You would be working with players that you trusted and could rely on. Knowing that they were considerate of your time and shared your desire to win by playing with you instead of in spite of you would help greatly with cooperation and champ synergy. League of Legends is like only playing pick-up games in basketball at the YMCA and thinking one day you will be as good as an NBA player. In my opinion the community should have striven to build team and leagues like in bowling. I have never looked at someone profile and seen them finished with their team provisional games. They haven't played FIVE games with a premade team and they have over 200 solo queue games. This is a team based game where it seems that few are trying to build teams. Besides pride or practice, I don't know why ANYONE gives a shit about their solo queue record.

I played with a group of casual players for a month or so. They had no desire to play ranked because of the toxicity. On a regular we would trounce teams. We only lost when one of the guys girlfriend was playing. that is the equivalent of playing a bunch of bronze games. I could win 3 to 5 in a row. in ranked, I am pleasantly surprised if I don't lose at select. I am happy when I lose due to a good game, and I am dumbfounded when I play 2 games in the same day with no trolls.

Hasztalan21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Occams Raiser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a3sx92EJ,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-03-29T16:01:45.600+0000) Stuff you wrote

Ye but u forgot something. Less trolls in higher elo yes. HOWEVER THERE AER LESS PLAYERS OVERALL :<

only 1% of the community can be found in diamond at every region. So ye less ppl but the amount of trolls percentage wise wont shrink... we play with the same ppl over and over again especailly when u reach d2++.

Occams Raiser1 votes

And this must be where all the smurfs come from. High stakes boredom and monotony.

Hasztalan21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Occams Raiser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a3sx92EJ,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-29T16:32:51.118+0000)

And this must be where all the smurfs come from. High stakes boredom and monotony.

And picks. It sucks that i want to play e.g. Poppy or Brand but you can't do it on ranked as if u pick theese champs the Blanc's Zed's and <insert muh lcs champ here>'s will eat you alive.

Occams Raiser1 votes

It is sad that a game with 100+ champs can be widdled down to 20 or so effective ones that dominate. And to the point that not picking them gets eye rolls if not face rolls.

Hasztalan21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Occams Raiser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a3sx92EJ,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-29T22:09:56.032+0000)

It is sad that a game with 100+ champs can be widdled down to 20 or so effective ones that dominate. And to the point that not picking them gets eye rolls if not face rolls.

rito knows it better X)

Occams Raiser1 votes

So all skill levels being equal, you can not beat a diamond bully champ with an off-meta pick? Seems like that is where the next challenge would lie.

Hasztalan21 votes

[{quoted}](name=Occams Raiser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a3sx92EJ,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-03-30T06:27:19.052+0000)

So all skill levels being equal, you can not beat a diamond bully champ with an off-meta pick? Seems like that is where the next challenge would lie.

Not exactly but it's freaking boring when you paly a 1o1 matchup vs a "muh lzs champ" , you are better than him yet he still manages to kill you 2-3 times in a row with 0.0000001 hp simply becuz his kit has 5 dashes 3 ministuns shields inbuilt steroids and stuff. You know which is luxury for champs like Garen.

But you can also take a look at modernisation "buffs". Morde got trashed with the dfg removal, veigar got trashed as well meanwhile "+muh lzs plays " ahri got a really strong and relevant buff. Talk about favoritisim.

I just can't wait the day when they'd give me af ree hand in reworking 1 old champ to be a "modern" one. Like Lux and her 130 (!!!) mana cost E.. If Lux would come out in 2015 she'd have speedbonus while her E is on the ground, her ult would knockup for 1 sec, her passive would deal % dmg based on max hp, her Q would deal double dmg if it hits directly the champ and her W would give like free MR and armr? Ye that sounds nice.

You can see the problem ere i guess. No fun to play an outdated champ vs a modern one even if you beat him and win the game.

Occams Raiser1 votes

That seems close to the truth. You can see the newer champs bang harder than the old ones. they must catch hell trying to balance so many characters. WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T TRY. XD

Angry Monster1 votes

Riot says only 1% percent of the community is toxic. IS THAT ALMOST 75,000 PURE ASSHOLES RUNNING RAMPANT!?!?!?!?!?!

that is across all regions. Also the assholes as you call them are considered a statistical anomaly at 1%. Shit happens and their is no reason why. The 1% is right there. Also riot can not print numbers per person but per account. A lot of trolls have more than 1.

If 10% are trolls or people who just don't give a shit: That's about 700,000 (I'll be generous) Thats scary!

incorrect statement. These people insist on playing the game their way. They think its more fun or better. That is not trolling but usually is ignorance.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I lump that in with not giving a shit. You know what it takes to win. You can expect your opponent to be doing what it takes to win. If you are in normals go hog wild. If you are in ranked it is trolling to have the know-how to win but not implement it or even worse go against that knowledge. Ignorance is no fault of a player. If you are ignorant of how to achieve victory you will gain that knowledge. You can't really be said to be playing your way unless you know the correct way.

I don't see why there are so many people in defense of those that can only have fun at the expense of others. You don't think there is a way to play your own way with screwing me out my enjoyment? Team builder off-meta is fine. I see what you picked and I chose to lock in anyway. You do that in ranked... you are just an asshole. Unless you win. Then you are an INNOVATOR.

Angry Monster2 votes

You play hiemer in ranked. I would call that pretty troll and i feel that is probably one of the reasons your bronze. Everything you are say probably can be redirected to you.

For some reason you think results are all the matters. No one is going to win all the time with their picks. Just cause it failed playing with you does not mean that what they are doing is wrong or right, only that it failed with you.

Their is so much wrong with your thought process, i do not even know where to start. You seem to lump toxic with niche picks and call them all troll.

I think you need to look in the mirror on this thread.

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