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A very disgruntled yuumi player

YuumiSoThicc··1 votes·5,589 views

To give you all an idea of where im coming from with this, im a yuumi otp who was d4 last season p4 this season sitting at just about 50% win rate (49 right now) and i am a very very disgruntled player. I do not enjoy playing this champ any longer after the changes that you guys made to her w. I was ok with her getting a cast time, i was ok with her e getting changed and the q damage getting changed. But the change that made this champion not fun for me any longer was the lockout duing WHATEVER cc hits her unless its soft cc. Doesnt matter what shes doing, the slightest amount of hard cc puts her w on cooldown. That is the most CRITICAL part of her kit and the most random cc in the middle of a teamfight puts it on cd. If you are in an elo below at least plat 2, you are dealing with players that say shes the most usless champ in the game because of that STUPID change. I have told you people time and time again to fix this, because it literally spaes yuumi players ability to show how good they really are with the champion! Skill expression OUT THE BLOODY WINDOW during laning phase. Cant eat a pyke hook, cant eat a thresh hook, cant eat a blitz hook, or a braum stun, cant eat a jhin snare, definatly cant handle naut, cant eat ANY form of hard cc for your adc or guess what, your as good as dead. I have told you people how to change her w to where she can still show skill expression, and still have counter play. Just get rid of the lockout during any kind of cc, and if she gets hard cc'd during flight or cast time, THEN it goes on a 5 sec cd. But NOOOOO, riot and their collective "200 years of game development experience" wont listen to the YUUMI ONE TRICKS OF THE LEAGUE SPACE THAT PLAYS THE CHAMPION GAME IN AND GAME OUT. She depends WAYYY too much on the other players of her team that this lockout literally makes her damn near unplayable unless she has a good champion beside her to help her, or shes anywhere in d4+. So again riot, im going to beg and plead to you great game makers with over 200 years of collective experience, GET RID OF THE BLOODY LOCKOUT UNLESS SHE IS CASTING HER W OR FLYING!

38 Comments

Posui Gart9 votes

cant eat ANY form of hard cc for your adc or guess what, your as good as dead

Just like any other non-tank support. Fair enough for me.

YuumiSoThicc3 votes

None of their skills go on cd when they get ccd. Tell me what champion has the most critical part of their kit go on cd when they get randomly hard cc’d?

Posui Gart8 votes

Their skill to become untargetable for an unlimited time while also being able to use their spells is already on an infinite cd at the start of the game.

Paroe2 votes

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None of their skills go on cd when they get ccd

The immobilization lockout is meant to stop Yuumi from eating CC then immediately going back onto an ally for safety - people complained a lot about that. You need to get used to sticking on one carry instead of flitting around, because thats the way riot wants her to be played.

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

And combine that with her absolute dependency on the random allied champion makes her skill expression damn near completely muted. It makes sona seem like she can talk. And no people didn’t really complain about that. The complaints were about how much damage she could pump out while being untargetable.

Minimac20002 votes

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And combine that with her absolute dependency on the random allied champion makes her skill expression damn near completely muted. It makes sona seem like she can talk. And no people didn’t really complain about that. The complaints were about how much damage she could pump out while being untargetable.

No, they were also avout how much healing shielding and general being soraka she could do while completely untargetable. Everyone knows fighting soraka you buy gw and or burst down soraka as target #1 at pretty much all times. The design of yuumi being soraka but untargetable is just unbalancable and so she will never be in a non broken spot either way too strong or too weak

Sebastit7d1 votes

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None of their skills go on cd when they get ccd. Tell me what champion has the most critical part of their kit go on cd when they get randomly hard cc’d?

Lot's of champs can get cced while dashing and get put on cd, Yuumi happens to have one that turns her untargettable for as long as she wants after the dash is finished, so yes, it's fair that she gets put on cooldown.

Fiddlesticks for example gets his ult put on full cooldown if he gets cced during his long ass channel, the main part of his kit.

YuumiSoThicc2 votes

Wish I didn’t have to be literal on the internet. No other champion in this game has a skill put on cd by simply being cc’d when they are doing nothing. If you are sitting still and not casting anything, and get trundle pillared, no other champ in this game gets their skills put on cd. If you get knocked aside by DRAGON no one else’s skills get put on cool down if you are standing still not casting anything. If you are standing still and not casting anything and you get knocked up by BARON no champion in this game gets their skills put on cool down. If you are yuumi and any of these things happen to you and you are standing still, not casting a skill, the skill that is the most CORE SKILL TO YOUR KIT, gets put on cool down. Happy now?

Your ExBoyfriend4 votes

jus delete her lmao

Nixzilla2 votes

Why is everyone reaction to a champ they don't like "Delete them!" we been trying to get Teemo deleted for years its not happening to anyone.

Your ExBoyfriend1 votes

not with that attitude Mr. Cynical

Mártir3 votes

Totally agree. I have 300K on her, and I really stopped playing her after the rework. Removed all the "Skill" from the champion, promoting the "AFK Heal-bot" style.

The "W" going into 5s CD is just SILLY. Its exactly the OPPOSITE that they had to do. They had to give her a "Weakness", but like that you can just play "AFK"(Not going attack to AA for passive shield) and not risk.

Edit: And its funny how Im seeing others talk about her, when they have no knowledge about the champion at all.

Ryelic3 votes

Sorry man, hate to say it but Riot literally shot themselves in the foot with this one and y'all are gonna get the akali treatment because your character is uninteractive cancer exceedingly fun to lane against. They decided to take inspiration from Io (https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Io) by .....making a character completely noninteractive if her laner is anywhere even near comparable to her opponents? Nice.

I personally don't permaban yuumi, but I get why people do. She's quite honestly total bullshit to play against, demands you play engage champions if you ever want to win lane against her, is always very relevant (unless your entire team is getting stomped, and at that point nobody is so (¯_(ツ)_/¯)) because she can always abandon her laner and make a snowballing carry even more difficult to take down, and quite honestly puts all the pressure on your adc to position and lane against two opponents.

The cat's cute, so she gets a point for that, but for the vast majority of the playerbase she's a nightmare on either side since she either puts all the pressure on her adc (and if her adc is bad then you pay twice the cost for it) or turns her adc/carry into an untouchable, unkillable monstrosity.

Honestly, I'd be glad that they stopped at adding this (quite frankly minimal) amount of counterplay instead of just gutting your champion like riot does to every champion they make that stretches the bounds of gameplay to the point that she has. Personally speaking I wish they would've just turned her into a support that rotates around her adc (but is still targetable because untargetability is such a fun mechanic guys) and just balanced her around that. But hey, I don't have 200 years of design experience, so what do I know?

Hotarµ2 votes

But the change that made this champion not fun for me any longer was the lockout duing WHATEVER cc hits her unless its soft cc. Doesnt matter what shes doing, the slightest amount of hard cc puts her w on cooldown. That is the most CRITICAL part of her kit and the most random cc in the middle of a teamfight puts it on cd.

If your champion is untargetable for 80-90% of the match, you deserve to be punished severely for being caught out. We've already seen what Yuumi is like without the lockout mechanic and that's not something most people + Riot want to go back to.

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

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If your champion is untargetable for 80-90% of the match, you deserve to be punished severely for being caught out. We've already seen what Yuumi is like without the lockout mechanic and that's not something most people + Riot want to go back to.

You don’t deserve to be punished for not having the ability to pay attention like a pro player and try to make sure you don’t get hit by the randomest cc not being directed at you but to a person your trying to keep alive.

Hotarµ5 votes

You don’t deserve to be punished for not having the ability to pay attention like a pro player and try to make sure you don’t get hit by the randomest cc not being directed at you but to a person your trying to keep alive.

And likewise, you don't deserve to instantly escape and then be able to operate at full effectiveness in a teamfight.

Every other champion in the game (even someone like Pyke who people constantly rag on for being "unpunishable") has to think more carefully about how they act after they get locked down, Yuumi can just jump back on someone and she's good to go as if nothing ever happened. That's what the problem is. If she wasn't untargetable for such a large majority of her uptime, I think most people would be in favor of removing the lockout.

Aside from that, you don't have to "pay attention like a pro player" to not get hit by CC. Every player in the game across every elo has to be mindful of CC especially in teamfight settings, frankly it's ridiculous to try and justify removing Yuumi's lockout because of that.

floo2 votes

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You don’t deserve to be punished for not having the ability to pay attention like a pro player and try to make sure you don’t get hit by the randomest cc not being directed at you but to a person your trying to keep alive.

Yes you do? You have to be aware of enemy CC timers as any champion in the game.

Old Yuumi didn't have to, since she literally just jumped out of reach anyway like nothing ever happened, if you didn't have the lockdown to burst her.

The "skill expression" to block hard cc for a teammate is also nothing but over the top unnecessary interaction that makes an op mechanic even more horrid and onesided.

Her entire design of an untargettable healer is incredibly toxic and shouldn't exist. Being squishy and in danger of being the main target is the thing every enchanter has to deal with, aside of Yuumi apparently. Their changes to her kit just prove that this champ is unbalancable.. they made her feel shit to play, while encouraging staying on a teammate forever, spamming E for 400 heal with 1 item and cursor-aimed "skill"-shots, which just feels shit to play against.

Aymin1 votes

If you take the stupid channel off the W cast, the lockout is actually okay. It means you have to be 100% sure you can dodge everything while detatched, and I was very good at it myself. I enjoyed the medium risk, Medium reward gameplay of hopping on and off during clutch fights(especially when E scaled off missing HP), and I don't mind if they want to make it High-Risk, Medium-Reward, because the sum total of her kit is frustrating to play against if you're good at her.

Currently, it is physically impossible to not die if you detach in some situations, so you are forced to AFK and miss out on mana refund, last-second clutch shields, empowered autos, repositioning your ult, getting in range of another teammate, etc.

Nobody else is getting a death sentence from full mana/hp or causing a gank to turn into an enemy triple kill just because they got hit by a Yasuo tornado or a Trundle Pillar. I become useless to my allies, a bag of 300 gold to my enemies, and everyone regrets me playing Yuumi. If I could hover over my ally and stay in range and duck those things with speed, I will accept the high-risk of relying on my reaction time.

There are people whose entire job is making sure game inputs feel responsive. That 180-ping simulation of a channel time is one of the few truly horrendous live gameplay decisions I've seen Riot make. I am a big fan of Riot's design team (unpopular, I know), but that was mind-bogglingly below their standards of quality.

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

That would be tolerable, I’d be all for that if riot doesn’t want to just remove the dumbass lockout

Kaelramus1 votes

As someone who really likes playing as yuumi, i'd settle for the buff to her W they axed when she was changed where the lockout timer was reduced by her CDR. Considering the damage in game nowadays and how yuumi is one of if not the squishiest champ in the game, a 5 second lockout is a bit much for how easy it is for some champs to lock her out.

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

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As someone who really likes playing as yuumi, i'd settle for the buff to her W they axed when she was changed where the lockout timer was reduced by her CDR. Considering the damage in game nowadays and how yuumi is one of if not the squishiest champ in the game, a 5 second lockout is a bit much for how easy it is for some champs to lock her out.

I completely agree

Cielveon1 votes

It’s so fucking garbage, considering most of the time I get hit like mid-w by any small form of cc that was in no way intended for me (like Fidd crow) it just managed to fuck me right mid-w so I’m officially screwed and can’t do shit about it.

Voiceshiproot1 votes

Yuumis a useless champ get over it, i legit ban her off my teammates everytime.

YuumiSoThicc4 votes

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Yuumis a useless champ get over it, i legit ban her off my teammates everytime.

Someone did that to me so I took their roll and won the game

Nixzilla1 votes

Bet you get your account banned often lol

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

Only once

Bugog1 votes

She's getting pro picked, so expect nerfs.

Iukiboy1 votes

It's been a year since Tahm is dead but they hotfixed overnerfed Akali 12 hours later. Meanwhile Tahm sits at 41%wr in soloqueue for 7 months streight.

Aurelion Sol's kit is destroyed too. Fuck it, I like that champions too, but riot doesn't really care since they don't earn enough money selling their skins.

Imagine riot do this to Yasuo for an example and change his passive and windwall mechanics. Community will go nuts and will shred some tears here on boards so he get hotfixed 2 minutes later, sad but true.

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

The skin thing is a self fulfilling prophecy. Champs that get skins get buffs, those champs get buffs before skins are released are played more, therefore they are more popular so they get more skins etc etc.

LanceTheJungler1 votes

Yuumi is actually pretty strong right now, she's being banned and picked fairly often in pro and my clash team picked her and we went 3-0, picking her all 3 games.

Here is a video of me 2v5ing with a yuumi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-dZ4q-CQr8

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

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Yuumi is actually pretty strong right now, she's being banned and picked fairly often in pro and my clash team picked her and we went 3-0, picking her all 3 games.

Here is a video of me 2v5ing with a yuumi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-dZ4q-CQr8

Pro league and solo q are completely different animals. That’s like trying to compare a lynx with a lion, completely different animals within the cat family

LanceTheJungler1 votes

Soloque is more like soloCRINGE. Riot should not balance around soloque.

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

They should because that’s where most of their players are. That’s where most of the money comes from

FakeGravity1 votes

i wish she scale with HP instead of AP honestly so she can build knight vow and locket, then rework her into a low damage CC machine meant to body block the enemy then use W to safety, but that would overlap a bit with rakan, she should be encourage to leave her W state because of something other than "i need mana also let try desperately to get one auto and not die so i can give a shield" imagine if she would actually be harder to kill? but CCing her host would pop her out and force her to use W on another target

Romuva1 votes

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i wish she scale with HP instead of AP honestly so she can build knight vow and locket, then rework her into a low damage CC machine meant to body block the enemy then use W to safety, but that would overlap a bit with rakan, she should be encourage to leave her W state because of something other than "i need mana also let try desperately to get one auto and not die so i can give a shield" imagine if she would actually be harder to kill? but CCing her host would pop her out and force her to use W on another target

Those changes would be truly truly outrageous.

Nixzilla1 votes

Alright now as a non insane Yuumi player, I just want the cast time off her W so that she feels fluid to play again. The whole getting hit by cc and it putting our W on CD is kinda the whole point of the nerfs we got. The W cast time makes me feel like im lagging when i play her and it annoys me.

Denavai1 votes

I thought the w thing was cool. her counter is cc you only unhook when you know enemies control is on cool-down.

What I find stupid however, is that slows are included. So items can pretty much keep you from reattaching as well.

The cool-down should be in conjucture of the type of crowd control in my opinion. If they decide to fix this I hope they do the following.

Knockups +4s cd Snares: +6s cd Stun: +8s cd or simple just allow only those 3 to prevent w.

YuumiSoThicc1 votes

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I thought the w thing was cool. her counter is cc you only unhook when you know enemies control is on cool-down.

What I find stupid however, is that slows are included. So items can pretty much keep you from reattaching as well.

The cool-down should be in conjucture of the type of crowd control in my opinion. If they decide to fix this I hope they do the following.

Knockups +4s cd Snares: +6s cd Stun: +8s cd or simple just allow only those 3 to prevent w.

and that encourages the type of gameplay that people hated when she was first introduced. It makes it feel like the adc is playing a 1v2 instead of a 2v2. Get rid of the dumb lockout and make it to where she only gets locked out if she gets cc'd during flight or cast time.

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