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Making yourself carriable

YuumiSoThicc··87 votes·16,455 views

The reason I'm making this post is because I feel like 90% of players put too much emphasis on "I have to carry, I have to carry the game" and they make it too hard on themselves to make a play, get a kill, try to get back into the game. Often times players forget to make themselves carriable.

People, listen, you dont have to carry your game all the time. If someone else is fed, then make it easier for them to carry you. Its not all about you, its about how either you carry the game, or if your losing, how you can make it easier for the person kicking ass, to keep kicking ass and carry you. Its about supporting that person thats carrying you, so you can win the game. Quit thinking you need to get back in the game, you are always in the game. Quit thinking that you need to be flashy all the time. Think to yourself "is this going to help me win the game?" If the answer is anything but yes, then dont do it.

You can carry a game, by making yourself as light of an anchor as possible to the boat thats trying to carry you to victory.

38 Comments

Hemulen Magi46 votes

If you're 1/8 but but your team is 15/8, do yourself a favor and stop trying to ff at every opportunity. Let your ego take the hit and try your best to support your allies, even if that means sacrificing yourself in situations so that the enemy team gets a trivial amount of gold from you instead of a shutdown bounty from your better performing allies. At least splitpush and try to catch up on xp and gold instead of sitting in the base and demanding a surrender...

~ A support & jungle player who rarely surrenders

YuumiSoThicc10 votes

when your entire team is losing, its best to ff at that point

Hemulen Magi9 votes

It depends and I will usually be the last to surrender, partly because I get considerably more enjoyment from a comeback or evenly matched game than from winning a stomp, and I don't even really hate losing if it was a fun match.

There also must be some kind of cutoff to what you consider your team losing. A:30/35 vs B:35/30 looks like team A is losing, but that's close enough that I definitely wouldn't surrender. Or A:5/10 vs B:10/5 but team A has more objectives or a stronger lategame team; I don't think that's reasonable to surrender either.

For me to surrender, I'll usually need multiple afks on my team or for the enemy to have 4 times or more kills and objectives, or for my teammates to be so extremely rude (like all teammates being exceptionally rude, even by league standards) that I really don't want to win if it means my rude teammates also win. If the match is so uneven that I would surrender, then I don't usually need to surrender anyways because the game will quickly reach its conclusion even if I try my best to stall/comeback, or my teammates will overrule my nay vote by majority anyways.

Champion Skin2 votes

There also must be some kind of cutoff to what you consider your team losing. A:30/35 vs B:35/30 looks like team A is losing, but that's close enough that I definitely wouldn't surrender. Or A:5/10 vs B:10/5 but team A has more objectives or a stronger lategame team; I don't think that's reasonable to surrender either.

Kills aren't even a particularly good way of knowing if a team is ahead or not

I mean if mid lane roams top over and over and over which gives the team a kill lead but leads to the mid laner being even further behind in gold and exp compared with the enemy top laner (because of leaving lane at bad times and losing a lot of CS) then I wouldn't really say that they are ahead

Gold and EXP (and dragons) are what matters and minions are a better source of gold and exp than kills however kills are good for denying the enemy Gold and EXP (however how much they lose depend on the minion wave and how quickly the champion can get back to lane)

Kai Guy3 votes

Always situational. Play to win but go with a majority consensus. My rule of thumb is to wait and see what the other 4 players do. 3 to 1 and I yes. 2 to 2 and its a no from me.

Stupid /FF attempts I simply ignore. 29, got an inhibi, and the 0-5 dummy dies again top because he over etenxed again with 0 vision? fk it... gonna ignore that due trying to FF another time despite it being a 1-4 vote. Like ya said, let your self be carriable lol.

When I Start FF I typically talk to allies first to see if they are willing to try and play it out and make changes to win. Hunt for the victory condition. If there is not one, or we fail it badly on the attempt then if its a majority decision I think that's the right time to call the match.

Then again, I also alert my team when some one plays better then me and warn them if I see strong mechanics.

AlienPrimate3 votes

Team comps are important too. If you are losing as Tryndamere Chogath Azir Vayne Thresh against Renekton LeeSin Syndra Draven Blitzcrank you would be a moron to surrender no matter how far behind you are. Just stall it out and you will eventually win.

Nyarlathοtep

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Team comps are important too. If you are losing as Tryndamere Chogath Azir Vayne Thresh against Renekton LeeSin Syndra Draven Blitzcrank you would be a moron to surrender no matter how far behind you are. Just stall it out and you will eventually win.

You should win eventually you mean. You will be surprised how many games you will lose because your teammates throw like monkeys.

Baby Ghoul4 votes

The amount of times I've read "GG open mid/top" in this game is ridiculous.

Half the time we got a BS champion fed and the rest of the team is doing great, but because they didn't win lane, it's over and they gotta throw a diva fit while playing mind gymnastics to make the fact that they lost lane everyone else's fault but their own.

Go get yourself a snickers and just show up to fights for your free LP, like how hard is that? I'm so tired of people throwing games because they're not the carry for that match.

KnKitsune2 votes

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The amount of times I've read "GG open mid/top" in this game is ridiculous.

Half the time we got a BS champion fed and the rest of the team is doing great, but because they didn't win lane, it's over and they gotta throw a diva fit while playing mind gymnastics to make the fact that they lost lane everyone else's fault but their own.

Go get yourself a snickers and just show up to fights for your free LP, like how hard is that? I'm so tired of people throwing games because they're not the carry for that match.

Blame the "Stop thinking about your team's performance, focus on yourself and you'll carry" advise that a bunch of people(even Riot employees) spout for that kind of behavior.

Kovorix3 votes

So true, I had a game in the last games where bot gave first blood and a double kill to the enemy jungler while I killed him and died to enemy adc and somehow in their mind I inted their lane and lost the game lol.

flamingknight8884 votes

Or you could just become an adc main, afk under tower every game, and get into plat automatically via not inting lol.

Kai Guy2 votes

MMR represents an average. You can increase an average not just by adding a higher value to the upper end but also by removing lower values. Consistency! Basic mathematics!

How the fuck people don't understand this principle is beyond me. Like the same way people think 1 lane loses = gg? The fuck? You think all 4 teammates are magically always gonna be better players then their counterparts?

I Just don't get league players expectations for the game sometimes.

The Bad Touch2 votes

{quoted}

The reason I'm making this post is because I feel like 90% of players put too much emphasis on "I have to carry, I have to carry the game" and they make it too hard on themselves to make a play, get a kill, try to get back into the game. Often times players forget to make themselves carriable.

People, listen, you dont have to carry your game all the time. If someone else is fed, then make it easier for them to carry you. Its not all about you, its about how either you carry the game, or if your losing, how you can make it easier for the person kicking ass, to keep kicking ass and carry you. Its about supporting that person thats carrying you, so you can win the game. Quit thinking you need to get back in the game, you are always in the game. Quit thinking that you need to be flashy all the time. Think to yourself "is this going to help me win the game?" If the answer is anything but yes, then dont do it.

You can carry a game, by making yourself as light of an anchor as possible to the boat thats trying to carry you to victory.

There is no carrying in this game as long as Mordekaiser exists.

24/11/19 Kass. Mord sells items, goes full MR and just clicks R on me every single team fight.

GG.

PermaJinxed3 votes

Rift walk away as soon as his mace raises. You will outrange his ult before getting pulled in and he loses the cooldown without removing you for more than the ~2 seconds cd on rift walk.

The Bad Touch1 votes

Lovely idea.

You agree with me I see.

If you have to sit on R CD you can't carry. Derp Derp.

OMGSoAnnoying1 votes

QSS will purge morde ult. Tenacity will also reduce the duration. You can also Zhonya's the ult projectile if fast enough on reactions and at a decent range from rift-walking.

General Esdeath 10 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=piEAoeBk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-27T02:49:02.163+0000)

There is no carrying in this game as long as Mordekaiser exists.

24/11/19 Kass. Mord sells items, goes full MR and just clicks R on me every single team fight.

GG.

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Akali Prime2 votes

"if someone else is fed" haahhahahahahahahah

Lemexis1 votes

Ikr. There is NEVER someone else fed in my team, so either I carry, either I might as well just ff.

Ryusaether2 votes

Take my upvote man.

I'm the first in line on this topic, being a toplaner mainly I know when I can do shit to make plays and when I just have to be there to peel for my adc so he can carry my ass. It's not a bad thing, it's just to consider the winning condition.

If I'm not fed with Darius, I stick to my adc to provide peeling for him, in exchange I'll most likely at least get a ult reset so I can deal a good amount of damage in the rest of the fight, and he'll clean up the rest.

Put away your pride and just make yourself carryable sometimes.

LaceUpXX2 votes

The people that play this game would literally rather lose than get carried.

NovaP2 votes

Another smaller point. There are champions that are easier to be carried. I had a hard stuck silver friend who only played yi and tryn in the jungle. His mentality was he had to carry because everyone else was bad. These champions are a hindrance to the team when you're behind. The don't provide any real utility. I'm quite convinced he coulda got to gold if he played more carriable champions like gragas or j4 who can both hard carry and be carried.

Troll for Trump2 votes

If only the game didn't feel like unplayable garbage when you're behind. Died once? Lane's over unless jgl saves your ass, and their jgl doesn't come. Jgl doesn't gank losing lanes? You literally can't even lane anymore and won't scale for jack.

TailsDoll 2 votes

Thats very true. A well timed split push with your 1/10 Trist can carry harder than you trying to kill the 15/1 vayne. Let the assasins do their jobs.

The biggest thing people should think is "Is this helping me win the game?"

Is trying to save the 100 hp mid turrent against 3 people going help you win the game? Was it worth it to lose flash and turrent for nothing? Knowing when to give up objectives and when to take the best case scenario its more important than getting kills.

If you blow the enemys flash even if you dont get a kill its better than killing the opponent for your flash in most cases.

BigSquirrell2 votes

Sometimes you're Goku. Sometimes you're Krillin. Without Goku, Krillin would be dead and everyone would be doomed. Without Krillin, Goku wouldn't have the time he needs to come Goku and everyone would be doomed. There's nothing wrong with being either one. Except that it makes you a weeb, and no one likes that.

ÈvilMorty1 votes

Play safe, stick with the team, try your best, play around objectives not for kills, land your skills on opportune targets or peel for your fed allies.

I play a lot of unpopular never meta champions as such i always feel like im playing on a handicap on top of all the broken shit in this game. Example, I play Anivia worst early game, needs 2 items to compete with champions with one item but i digress. Even if i give up an early kill or 2 and can no longer deal with the opponent, ya dont fuckin need to fight them every chance you get, farming safely, letting your team know when they are roaming, not giving up more kill/tower gold and being there when it matters is all it takes to get back into it.

Example: Last week playing Anivia against a Fizz, I despise fizz not just his e but because you dont get to decide when to fight him in lane. I give up an early kill at 6 to a gank and 2 ults from fizz and jg. So know I can only farm and push tower when he roams. Game goes on he gets 2 kills on bot lane but my top and jg got fed off of their top and bot but i dont give any more kills to fizz or their jg however, the game turns around when i land a stun on their adc and jg and we collapse on them, take baron and eventually win.

So what made that win possible? I was carriABLE by playing safe, not giving up any more kills, I took objectives and landed my spells when it counted so that my fed top and jg could carry us.

V Str4to V1 votes

Problem is, even if I win lane I feel like I don't have impact because the rest of my team already decided the game by that point...

If I win lane 2/0 with 30 cs advantage, my jungler is 5/2 and has drake, my mid is 7/1 and has 2 towers already and my bot is fed af. It doesn't matter whether I win or lose.
Top feels like you have no impact at all.

Paravozikchoocho1 votes

I can relate, won most of my games and climbed by simply assisting my team and not doing risky moves. And I play mid mostly.

Ionian Vulpix1 votes

Biggest piece of advice is a simple one: Play safe and don't die. You're worth a lot more alive than dead.

Kendren11 votes

This is true, however I have a problem with playing safe because the rest of my team is winning in low elo, due to the fact that if the lead is on players who don't know how to close a game, you still lose.

PurpleKingCrazy1 votes

That's most of my games in general.

Taliyah

1337azn1 votes

The game is a team game. In soloQ you cannot determine the reliability of your teammates. It is pure toss-up. Sometimes someone will have a bad day and start inting. That's why there is an emphasis on carrying. However, only certain roles can accomplish that easily, namely mid and jungle. I play adc main and while I can get fed, if the rest of my team sucks it doesn't matter.

tl;dr: Mid and jungle are critically important and you can make yourself carriable or carry best in those positions. Otherwise you're at the mercy of your team and how well you guys can gel together.

Exin01 votes

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The game is a team game. In soloQ you cannot determine the reliability of your teammates. It is pure toss-up. Sometimes someone will have a bad day and start inting. That's why there is an emphasis on carrying. However, only certain roles can accomplish that easily, namely mid and jungle. I play adc main and while I can get fed, if the rest of my team sucks it doesn't matter.

tl;dr: Mid and jungle are critically important and you can make yourself carriable or carry best in those positions. Otherwise you're at the mercy of your team and how well you guys can gel together.

Maybe if players start treating game like team and not one man show we can get somewhere, but this never happen and this obsession with hard carrying hand in hand with absurd snowballing eroded game to the core. But enjoy your 35/0 fantasy until you can game and community is crumbling and everyone is more or less waiting for that famed last straw that breaks the camel’s back.

GGMATCHMAKINGLOL1 votes

LMFAO! I would be thrilled if any of my teammates had a positive k/d let alone "carry" me LOL

Cowseed1 votes

On the other side of the coin. If someone dies and you unleash hell's fury on them immediately their failings for the rest of the game are now on YOUR shoulders more-so than if you had just shut the fuck up.

ChaosReyn1 votes

I think the biggest factor is in how little people actually think about it. And I don't mean that in a demeaning way: if I am getting bent in lane, it's not always as simple as thinking "damn, I'm getting bent...what can I do from here?" Most times, that horrible early game is accompanied by tilt, and more often than not, at least one teammate running their mouth and rubbing my nose in the mess I am WELL FUCKING AWARE OF at every possible moment. More often it's the tilt, and not the person themselves, that dictates the response you're talking about.

So, naturally, the first thing to do about it is realize you're tilted, and try to fix that. You can't think when you're mad - your brain literally turns like 2/3 of itself off. Mute the cretin flaming you in chat, try and find a different place to go than the place you've been dying, and slowly bring yourself back into the game - as in, bring your head back to actively thinking about the game, don't fight-or-flight your way into a bigger mess. I will say though that in most cases (remember, you can't think when you're tilted) you may need some outside encouragement to calm your shit.

I'm horrible about it, personally. If I'm 0/5 in lane, and tilted, I will hit that ff button, and I will be the guy everyone gets annoyed by and makes fun of. I'm not a saint. And at that point in the game, I'm likely not thinking properly. What people need to do when a person like me, 0/5, tilted, but still trying to play the game, is having it rough is to be as passive about saying "play it out" as possible. There is no harsher judge than oneself when one isn't doing well. Trust me: I'm aware that I'm 0/5, and causing issues. No need for the aggressive "fck off 0/5, we'll carry you" stuff. No need for the dismissive "just sit under tower and stop feeding, we'll be ok" stuff. It's as simple as your tone: just "We got this. Play it out" solves about 80% of the issue. It's not hostile, it's encouraging without being over-promising, and it's a vote of confidence that the game is still winnable.

PaladinNO1 votes

#"I got this!"

https://pm1.narvii.com/6720/4af0023b9eedb067e75a5ac5e7d5f751827df105_hq.jpg

"With wards, heals and positive attitude!"

TeodorusofNoxus1 votes

I agree and when I see a fed bot + good mid and decent jg I hug the tower and try to comeback in the rare instanced when I am behind in top. However, as cliche as this sounds- I really don't get any decent allies lately. You know how there are streaks where you can play with your hands shoved in your ass and still be carried and then there are streaks where you are not tilted, you go 10 0 and your allies are all trash. One of my best highlights was a solo quadra as Darius where I tped, got ambushed and killed em all.... well the 2 8 syndra stole my penta but the other 4 I got alone. We still lost that game as no lane was winning exept me. Other times I have been 3 8 8 as Talon and still get carried because my team is that good. And I still try to be useful-get 2 or ever 3 of the enmeis to chase me, blow a flash or ult on the useless talon. Unfortunately if I am ahead my team is behind-we have had comebacks thans to a good jg or something where I am not alone. And if my team is also ahead game is over in 18 minutes. Rarely do I find myself being behind and my team carrying me. If I am behind I am to blame for my loss, but also I rarely have a team that can carry me feeding. If I am not super ahead and I don't have at least one decent ally it's over. The days where 1 person can carry are done(unfortunately)

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