Feedback is great, so let's gather some constructive criticism from this current preseason

Malicious Metal··71 votes·3,832 views

Disclaimer; This is my personal opinion on the matter, you are bound to have your own and for the sake of argument try actually formulating your displeasure with the current version of League so we get something to talk about


Ah yes, we've seen the board frontpage be littered with tons of complaints recently, calling the game unfun and other unimaginative ways of expressing one's negative feelings towards the direction Riot is taking the game. And while I dislike the way it is done, it's what the boards here are for: FEEDBACK

Most of these threads do not really try to argue and discuss though and just serve to sow negativity. So, how about we sit down and have a talk about the current Preseason as we approach the start of season 8.


I personally haven't enjoyed league of legends this much for almost a year. We've been through horrible patches with Cho and the whole Ardent Censer fiasco, but I have to admit the current League is much to my liking. The Rune system offered me a ton of new ways to play the game and cook up strategies how to succeed in this environment.

From Unsealed Spellbook Morde with Smite to the massive Aery Shielding strat to abusing item 3092 on my Metal man, I can safely say that I am quite happy with this preseason so far.

The games feel intense and you actually try to actively beat your enemy and outsmart them rather than mindlessly farm 20 minutes. But I get that the game feels somewhat snowbally, mostly because of how strong early game champions are.

It can feel really overwhelming to play against certain champions once they have a lead and I do feel there has to be done something to make Snowballing a lot less, well...Snowbally. It's a Domino effect that just keeps getting worse once the first few towers fall.

I've had Towers taken at the FIFTH minute mark after forcing the enemy bot lane to back at level 1 and it really feels like Towers aren't doing their job. But instead of buffing them across the board I believe they should get increasingly stronger the closer they are to the Nexus. With tier 2 being more durable and Inhib towers dealing more damage and/or applying a debuff.

There aren't many OP champions currently around either, at least not from my experience, with not a single champion feeling unbeatable or plain BS to go up against. All in all it feels more like certain strong champions just thrive more in this current environment rather than them actually warping the game.


But those are just my thoughts on the preseason, they're very much positive since I'm having loads of fun with League currently but I get that not everyone might share my enthusiasm. So, instead of writing up another "This game isn't fun" with no real context and meat for discussion being given, let's talk about what you personally feel is currently negatively impacting your game experience.

And no, your 0/10 Yasuo is not a valid answer.

129 Comments

Ahristocats36 votes

In the complaining department, i'm number 1 and will always be number 1

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dydXjv21-i-just-cant-play-league-anymore

1 year ago i posted this thread about the game not being fun i always complain about things that are in the game

but there is no way i would complain about pre-season , this shit is just too good

people want season 2? guess what, pre-season is THE CLOSEST thing to season 2: -supports are broken without items and can bully adcs -adcs are weak in early game -tanks are broken -vayne is broken

"but games last 15 min"

games ALWAYS lasted 15 min and that since 2 years the average time of games according to league of graph didn't change, and is an average of 26 min

so why are you suddenly complaining about the duration of games when it's something trivial? games did not get shorter they were always short

and yeah it sucks that games are short, but can't you just have fun by doing something else? i don't know aren't you enjoying playing your main? because my waifu janna and my mordekaiser bring me fun non-stop that i can't stop playing league

In the name of Rubick , i myself can say that the game was never so much fun

and lol at the people saying "i'm going to play dota" dota has never been so cancerous since 7.07 between dark willow release, and pangolier release, and antimage 58% win rate bane being able to attack you during nightmare hahaha imagine zoe being able to damage you while not waking you up, when i saw this i thought at first that the dude was hacking techies mines can move imagine if teemo's shrooms could move i would love people to go and play dota that lost 1/5 of its players, because i myself as a dota player will not play a cancerous game like that i don't like to play against antimage and having him spamming "THE FUN ENDS HERE!!!" while being 100-0 by him

you had years to play dota, and you decide to play it during its worst state ok...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvOyAJXD4MM

Penns2 votes

Lel I remember getting ccd and oneshot by that guy but I thought it was balanced in dota xd

AirKingNeo5 votes

It's my favorite guy and he's back for once.

Ahristocats8 votes

and for once i can agree that adcs are weak in early game

AirKingNeo2 votes

I just want supports nerfed and Last Whisper upgrades to be increased to 3000 gold (LW changed to be 1500, give 30 AD, and build from Pickaxe [again]). Also, want Essence Reaver changes to 20% CDR flat.

Pretty basic and fair list.

ModWulf Helhammer4 votes

Yes, make it harder to kill tanks. That's a brilliant idea. Not like they are hard enough to kill already or anything.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Nerf tanks then? That's not hard.

It's like Riot when they were going to nerf heal/shield power finally, but then they're like "But then tank supports would be good" and forgot they can just nerf them too.

Hügö9 votes

While I agree to some parts you say, you talk like one should know who you are.

ModWulf Helhammer10 votes

Kind of. He (she? I honestly don't know) was a major boards presence, but has been gone for a while. Older board members know who he is

PePsiLemoNN8 votes

Wait you actually mean season 2 wasn't balance heaven?! Heretic

Fisher No Chains2 votes

I don’t think that adcs are “weak” early. Well, if you mean before their first back, then every class is weak except lane bullies and most assassins.

The problem with botlane right now is that you can’t win if your opponents get a lead. You get back in lane with 2 long swords whereas your opponent has 1 BF? Fine, don’t even try to trade and get prepared to lose your turret once the enemy jungler realizes his bot has a lead.

As for supports, I don’t think that many supports are broken right now. The only one that can 1v1 an adc early game is probably Leona, but that shit is op as fuck so it’s no news. Ali is good, but not as good as other supports and he doesn’t really have that much damage. Enchanters are okay-ish except if they’re paired with bullshit like Vayne, then it’s basically a 2v5 game but I think it depends on crit builds being very cheap/Vayne being broken once again.

Ahristocats3 votes

so adcs are not weak in early game only leona can 1v1 an adc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhbFi7ao4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wsfv2Yn74E

is this convincing you? or you still think that them losing mr runes, losing warlord sustain (flee footwork does not provide as much sustain in lane), and losing so much free damage from masteries (unlike the amount of damage you get from sorcery) do not make them weak in early game?

Durzaka2 votes

Not a single one of your examples was a 1v1. And in every situation, the "support" is being played as a carry. So your example holds even less water.

Adcs should lose to supports early on. End of story. Thats how MOBAs should always be. its how Dota does it, its how League is doing it now. ADCs are supposed to be weak early game.

ModAcademy Kayn10 votes

I'm not sure what's more concerning, that you're back, or that I agree with what you're saying...

Abibyama4 votes

Both

Swarovsko2 votes

Hiiiiiiiii bitchhhh where have you been

Ahristocats3 votes

you disappeared before i disappeared so i can ask the same

Rouwhorst1 votes

League of graphs show a slight decrease in game time from 7.21 to 7.23, however this is to be expected in preseason. The infographics however don't show at what rating the measurements took place. And on top of that I don't think all is said with average game time. Were in season 6 perhaps games decided by a (few) big teamfights and quickly won? And perhaps now the game is quickly decided by the jungler ganking a few times botlane, and slowly but definitely won?

The duration of games is not trivial. Where at first it seems just shorter games, deep down the balance is getting skewed. Shorter games means shorter time to do your job, for some classes or playstyles. If a game consisted for 25-50-25% out of early-mid-late game respectively, and lets just assume that does not change, decreasing the game time by 8 min gets rid of 4 min mid game. I'm almost certain the initial percentages of the game stages changed drastically due to the little control there is over that. All of that together can easily lead to an entire class being bad or conversely, an other class being very strong and prevalent.

If for example the games got shorter and the majority of this time is taken off of late game... Early and mid game champions become stronger. Damage mages botlane paired with adc falling off, assassins mid and gank junglers. Now, this is of course two-way: if gank junglers are strong, the game is more likely to be early and mid game focussed.

So even if the average game length didn't alter, the focus might have shifted causing balance changesissues.

Do you reckon all this complaining can all be traced back to preseason or are there perhaps other reasons?

Ahristocats2 votes

which explains why vayne is adc number 1 and malzahar is mage number 1

we all know how strong they are in lane and early game

Poolparty Sauron10 votes

Constructive criticism on the Boards. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! But srsly thou i expected things to break and stay semi broken up until the start of S8. As i sexualy identifiy as a bruiser player i feel sad as to the state of them atm as they dont rly have a true dedicated keystone ala fervour and no amount of Grasp chages will fix that. The best i can think off is a dedicated bruiser rune tree or atleast a few extra domination keystones.

SoundChaosDebug8 votes

too much water

Malicious Metal7 votes

Well, that's what you get when the human body's about 60% water.

Irokaiser4 votes

im a freak of nature. where in most bodies there would be water, I am filled with pure liquified cringe. I survive only by dabbing at random intervals whilst spinning fidget spinners and screaming REEEEEEEEE

HonestJohnTheCon4 votes

YOU FOOL!

I have the power of God AND ANIME on my side!

Irokaiser3 votes

Naruto runs through the window

DNFVixen8 votes

Lets see #1 The new Rune system is worse then the season 6 mastery change, It has made things that where snowbally a lot more so. It doesn't mater if you are a tank or a squishy there are champions absolutely deleting you in 2-3 hits.

The new rune system is so unhealthy for this game it has turned a 20-30 min game (god I miss the 30-45 min games of season 5) into a 10-15 min fuckfest.

The power pike of the new rune system is so high that the game has been completely turned on it's head.

#2 Leathality was riots #1 mistake now it is #2 but still needs to be removed from the game, It made a game that WAS balanced turned on it's fucking head. A lot of diamond and above players complained about leathality unless they where assassin mains or ADCs and even then some where STILL complaining.

When leathality was introduced it honestly killed off the early game late game champion aspect of the game, before leathality you actually had to think about more then who can carry and who cannot. You had to think "ok this champion counters whis champion but this champion is also great early game" or "this champion will be a bit weaker in the early phase but hardcarry in the late game but also counter thier ____"

The introduction of leathality killed a big part of the game and noone actually stopped to think about it or realise it.

There is no early or lategame champions anymore really. Lategame champions have become a complete thing of the past.

Rubis has the best explanation why leathality is bad in his post from a year ago.

#3 The client is still too heavy on CPUs and lags on a lot of computers. We have 4 computers in this house ranging from lowtech to a good gaming rig and it lags on every one of them. . #4 League of oneshots. Riot keeps pushing this into a game where it is flashy and quick. Honestly riot you have been steadily ruining this game ever since season 6.

How I think riot could fix this.

#1 Revert the Runes and Masteries back to what it was in season 5. You had the Mastery system fine tuned in season 5 to perfection. . #2 Delete leathality all together, remove it and fucking make it begone from existence. Put armor pen back as the main source to get through armor and leave it on 2-3 items!! actually the last whisper upgrades where a great idea. . #3 Get someone working on the client PLEASE!!! . #4 Stop trying to increase damage!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the love of fucking christ.

Honestly you had things perfect at season 5. You had your carries killing things you had your bruisers damaging while being tankyish, you had supports supporting the team in whatever way they could, mages bursted, assassins would take out the ADCs, and tanks would laugh at anyone trying to kill them except the ADC who are meant to shred them.

You had a wonderful and amazing game from seasons 3-5, that is WHY it got as popular as it did, you had things BALANCED people where having FUN. Alot of the changes you made from season 6 on have done nothing but hurt the wonderful game you had.

You think quick flashy plays are what will make you the most money when are wrong riot dead wrong. What makes you money is having a game where things are balanced and fun, and people enjoy watching games that are fair and balanced when the REAL bigplays are made. The REAL Bigplays are done in a balanced and fair game.

BTW been here for YEARS so I seen seasons 3 4 5 6 7 and pre 8.

Poolparty Sauron6 votes

Im pretty sure skins make money.

DNFVixen4 votes

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Im pretty sure skins make money.

A happy playerbase and fanbase make money. The skins are the product a happy consumer base buys. Economics 101 Educate yourself.

Poolparty Sauron5 votes

And you now speak for the playerbase ay? So Mister Economics how about you take your happy consumers and fuck off.

DNFVixen3 votes

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And you now speak for the playerbase ay? So Mister Economics how about you take your happy consumers and fuck off.

Lack the education to make a properly constructed comback? Please use facts if you want to make me "fuck off" as you said. Most of the playerbase has been complaining about the new rune system.

Also I am a lady thank you very much. [sg-ahri-2]

DJMason8810 votes

Where are you getting "most of the playerbase" from? The boards are not even .01% of the player base most likely, and the reddit sub is also tiny compared to the millions of players, assuming that all of them have the same opinion, which they don't.

Poolparty Sauron5 votes

This.

Unironic SJW1 votes

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You had a wonderful and amazing game from seasons 3-5, that is WHY it got as popular as it did, you had things BALANCED people where having FUN. Alot of the changes you made from season 6 on have done nothing but hurt the wonderful game you had.

you guys asked for this. Yall asked for more snowbally games because apparently people couldn't "solo carry" anymore because the game was too "team based". Yall asked for Rift and Baron to break stalling (yeah mage permastall was dumb but all you had to do was give minions scaling MR or something). Yall asked for "more impactful dragons". 80% of the changes yall complain about now you asked for in Season 5, 6 and 7.

DNFVixen1 votes

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you guys asked for this. Yall asked for more snowbally games because apparently people couldn't "solo carry" anymore because the game was too "team based". Yall asked for Rift and Baron to break stalling (yeah mage permastall was dumb but all you had to do was give minions scaling MR or something). Yall asked for "more impactful dragons". 80% of the changes yall complain about now you asked for in Season 5, 6 and 7.

I never wanted any of that fucking bullshit don't point the finger at me kid. A lot of us didn't want the shit that riot forced on us, and if you must know the ones who asked for a lot more damage are fucking assassin and adc mains, you know the fucking dipshits who get off on power. Look through my fucking posts if you want for the many years you will see i never asked for anything other then a buff to Sona's heal or for riot to stop with the power hike.

Don't go pointing fingers at me before doing your homework kid.

AirKingNeo6 votes

I'll start with my conclusion:

Remove the balance team. Fire them or move them to another part of Riot, or just leave them for balance coding, but have little to no say in balance changes. It's very obvious they suck at their job or refuse to actually do their job. I'm not asking them to pay a fine or any punishment, just to simply walk away and hold themselves accountable for their failure.

For what reasons why? Don't even get me started. I'll just toss on a lightning list with a few comments.

  • Bruisers are completely shit as a class, and you can't buff them to be more viable because their utter shitness is due to other classes being overpowered. If you keep buffing them, the only thing that happens is unfun snowballing or they become broken when you actually fix the game.
  • ADCs deal too much damage. The very simple fix is nerfing their items, but Riot won't do this. People want Zeal items nerfed, but that just makes early game shit for ADCs. We had the issue before; let's just make ADCs not shit feeling early game but not broken off the walls.
  • Ninja Tabi is broken and only feels like it shouldn't be nerfed because without it ADCs would obliterate people. Tabi also decides top lane with bruisers way too much.
  • Bramble Vest and Thornmaill still are broken and invalidate bruisers.
  • Fiora is broken, but held down by Bramble Vest. This isn't good design.
  • Kindred rework is a complete failure because junglers don't work fundamentally with critical strike.
  • Aatrox rework is a failure because it nerfed Aatrox's splitpushing and gave nothing to help him.
  • Kalista is viable. I play her, but why is she viable?
  • Xayah was pick-ban at worlds, pick-ban in summer split, and will be pick-ban this coming split. Why have no changes been made to this very absurd and broken champion?
  • MF and Ezreal are ruining bot lane, and Riot makes no effort to fix this.
  • Kleptomancy is super broken and somehow people want Ezreal nerfed and not Klepto? Klepto is broken enough to be viable on AA modifier bruisers.
  • Sorcery is still really broken and ruining games with brainless, counterplayless poke.
  • With that said above, Riot will probably nerf Xerath instead of Sorcery because that's how bad they are at their jobs. Just look at fucking Sona right now.
  • Attack speed junglers who were nerfed because of Devourer still haven't received compensation.
  • Attack speed junglers are completely shit.
  • Junglers need to not be able to gank as much and should instead be forced to farm and stay in the jungle longer, otherwise jungle becomes a broken role with too much impact on the game.
  • Support role shouldn't have been powercreeped. It literally just makes ADCs more broken.
  • New runes suck. Over half the runes aren't viable, many champions want a certain keystone but not the primary stat boost, and some champions don't have a viable keystone.
  • No fervor makes many champions shit who need it to boost their AD ratio abilities.
  • Turrets are made of paper, increasing massively into nothing as the game goes on.
  • Bot turret having no fortification makes bot lane too snowbally.
  • Duskblade is shitty design and shouldn't be able to remove wards AND have no cooldown for it's bonus damage.
  • Why is Kha'zix allowed to be overpowered with chain proccing Duskblade and his ult making him invisible for way too long.
  • No changes made to Rakan's overbaring AoE CC chain. He's gonna be pick-ban again.
  • Lulu's polymorph is still negating bruisers.
  • Tenacity is worthless due to the number of knockups.
  • Blast cone plant being able to avoid wards makes jungle too overpowered.
  • Morellonomicon and Liandyr's Torment are too strong of items.
  • Maokai had been broken for how long because they buffed his passive?
  • Tank items are too cheap. Sunfire should be like 3000 gold somehow.
  • Longsword itself should be 400 gold.
  • Phage isn't gold efficient.
  • Ornn is still really strong (if not broken) top lane.
  • Auto pushing snowball minions makes comebacks super difficult and is a huge contribution to how weak turrets are.
  • Baron recall makes splitpushing to trade objectives unviable.
  • Giving tanks high aoe base damage has been them too early game even though they outscale bruisers with teamfight, and it lets them push waves making splitpushing negated by them.
  • Essence Reaver is overpowered by giving ADCs like Xayah and Sivir 30% CDR. It's not seen as broken because there's been things more broken ahead of it for a few months.
  • A lot of AP items are unviable and shitty. RoA is worthless now that Morello does its job better for early laning.
  • Last Whisper upgrades are too cheap (not Zeal items). Should be 3000 gold, LW being 1500 gold (30 AD, builds from pickaxe).|
  • Pantheon, Jayce, Akali, Heimer, ect are ruining top lane with oppressive poke.
  • Riven and Yasuo gets buffed everytime they aren't viable. This is just pure bias out the balance team. Once they get their core issue fixed, they become super oppressive or broken and the balance team, having both a Riven main and a Yasuo main it, will not fix it.
  • It takes about 6 months or more for an issue to be solved.
  • EDIT: I forget: vayne is super fucking stupid right now. Just make the Q 30/40/50/60/70% AD from 50-70% or something.

And you have this entire list of issues from the last two seasons and Riot hasn't done anything about any of these things. Nothing. You have Riot letting bruisers suffer and doing nothing to fix their issues while giving negligence to how broken ADCs, tanks, and supports are and give salutatory negligence to assassins just so they can nerf them. As I said, they should just walk away and let someone else who knows what they're doing to fix the game.

Ahristocats4 votes

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For what reasons why? Don't even get me started. I'll just toss on a lightning list with a few comments.

  • Bruisers are completely shit as a class

true

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  • We had the issue before; let's just make ADCs not shit feeling early game but not broken off the walls.

before, adcs were weak in early game because everyone camped bot now they're trully weak

precision doesn't give as much damage as sorcery warlord sustain died mr runes got removed, adcs take way too much poke bot lane

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  • Ninja Tabi is broken and only feels like it shouldn't be nerfed because without it ADCs would obliterate people. Tabi also decides top lane with bruisers way too much.

just because it decides toplane doesn't mean it's broken, are you going to build ninja tabi against jayce and teemo? no you won't it has its niche i don't see the issue

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  • Bramble Vest and Thornmaill still are broken and invalidate bruisers.

true

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  • Fiora is broken, but held down by Bramble Vest. This isn't good design.

true

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  • Kindred rework is a complete failure because junglers don't work fundamentally with critical strike.

idc about kindred so i'm not commenting

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  • Aatrox rework is a failure because it nerfed Aatrox's splitpushing and gave nothing to help him.

it made him healthier with more window of power aatrox design is good now, he's just held back by the state of bruisers

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  • Kalista is viable. I play her, but why is she viable?

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  • Xayah was pick-ban at worlds, pick-ban in summer split, and will be pick-ban this coming split. Why have no changes been made to this very absurd and broken champion?

because riot doesn't care about pro if they did they wouldn't have let ardent going to world

  • MF and Ezreal are ruining bot lane, and Riot makes no effort to fix this.

vayne is way more broken than mf

i don't have time to answer to everything, pretty much everything is either "has been" or true

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Tabis has a 25% pickrate overall. "Niche item". Pick one.

r4ndomkill3 votes

its just how the item fundamentally has been designed, it helps against auto attacks and in almost every game there is someone trying to auto attack you.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Yeah and that's why it's not niche. It is not a niche item it is a pretty mandatory pick. There is also CC in every single game you still don't buy merc treads every game. He says tabis is a niche item that does it job, fact is that job is not niche and overpowered when you NEED to buy it every single fucking game not only because of its fucking passive but the fact that it pretty much invalidates two lethality items. That's literally what i said but boards average IQ is just too high to understand something simple like that and feels the need to downvote AND make a comment explaining why what i said was right. Seriously the first thing riot should do is not a captcha when you log in but asking simple league related logic questions.

MalrothDragonia13 votes

When you start by saying people should be removed from their jobs you are not being constructive. Saying you're unhappy with balance and explaining those points is fine, but as soon as you get personal about people making the changes you ruin your credibility.

Also you guarantee that Riot will not see your gripes because they have flat out said that they don't respond to posts that bash the PEOPLE, and are more interested in getting what about the GAME people are dissatisfied by. If you want your message heard, try to keep it polite, and stick to the issues that are bugging you.

Thanks.

AirKingNeo5 votes

Constructive criticism means it's thought out. My opinion is they aren't good at their job and should just walk away. You may disagree with my opinion, but that doesn't make it not 'constructive criticism' nor does it ruin anyone credibility. I haven't gotten personal. They are unfit.

I'm not bashing people. I have a logical conclusion they are unfit based on a large list of fuck ups. I'm being very polite by asking them to walk away, rather than attack them and call them a "silver balance team" or say any insults.

MalrothDragonia1 votes

some of the things on your list ARE subjective, such as how much you think items should cost, and you spent so much time on a bullet list you didn't go into the balance reasons for the changes, nor did you give any suggested solution for the things you find wrong with the game, nor do you give any kind of credential that makes you at all qualified to know whether or not the game devs should or should not keep their jobs. Also talking about fixes is a way to get your post noticed and replied to, but as I said, Rioters have flat out stated that as soon as you start going after people personally, calling for them to be fired, they feel no need to respond to you. Constructive Criticism means you are offering a solution, are being polite to the person so they can improve. Calling someone incompetent and saying they should be fired is not that.

AirKingNeo1 votes

You literally said I had bullet list, then complained I did what a bullet list does (aka not explain, just say).

I don't need qualifications to balance a damn game. I already make a mod for a game similar in difficulty to balance as League and I do it just fine.

I said they should be fired because I find they are unsuited for their job. That is constructive criticism. It's harsh, but you cannot deny what it is.

Why should I be polite? They refused to answer when people were polite and now people are mad. My blatant rudeness clearly shows I have an issue with them.

MalrothDragonia1 votes

yeah, the bullet point thing was my point. You just pointed out my point, and then seemed to not understand the point. ok man. You do need qualifications for telling someone you know their livelihood better than they do if you want anyone to take your points seriously, which also comes back to my point that maybe if you had gone into solutions instead of a long gripe list it would be seen as constructive. Also then your arguments would speak for you and you'd be right that some sort of qualification wouldn't be justified.

Constructive criticism isn't 'you're bad at your job, you should be fired', it's 'I think you're not doing your job so well, here's how you can do it better'. Or 'you're not getting your points across as clearly as you could, maybe try these things so people see your complaints and they get to the right people'.

Being polite is how you get people to listen. If you think they're not answering when you're nice why do you think they'd answer when you're just spewing hate at them? I'll see if I can find those red posts where they talk about what kinds of things they tend to respond to. Then again, if you just want to scream into the void your displeasure, then have at.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Actually, it is constructive criticism when I say someone is undeserving of their job because A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. A, B, C, X, Y, and Z are the things they should change to do better, but guess what? We're past the point of saying, "You can do your job better." We already went through the phase. Now we're at, "You don't listen, you don't improve, and you keep fucking up." That's point when you get fired. Just think of it like you're working a part-time job and this one guy has been screwing up time and time again, not listening to his boss, and being late just about every day. You tried making him listen and do better, but he's clearly disobedient. Of course, he should be fired. Why would it any different for a Riot game designer?

MalrothDragonia1 votes

except you're not their boss, I'm sure the designers ran every change through their boss, live gameplay needs changes to be tested and approved. They are doing what they are paid to do, and the fact that they still have their jobs is proof that they're doing their jobs. Ok, YOU don't like the job they're doing, but it's not your call man. You want to explain what to change and how? They've said they're willing to listen. You think they should lose their livelihood? Who are you to say that? That's where you get back to credentials. I'm sorry, but modding for a 'similar' game isn't the same as being in development for one of the biggest games on the planet. You don't know the internal workings of Riot enough to know how that pipeline happens, all you have is conjecture and rage. You want to make a point? Get people to listen? Then you need to listen when the people you're yelling at say 'this is what we won't respond to, here's what we respond to' and make your case. They may refute your points, and they may give you reasons you disagree with, but if you really want to see change, then telling people they should be fired is pretty much not how you do it.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Then fire their boss for allowing terrible changes. Maybe give them a better boss to direct them in the right direction.

They aren't losing their livelihood. They can be moved to other divisions of Riot, work for other companies, and many other related jobs. I'm not asking them to pay a fine or take any punishment, just walk away because they have failed.

I said similar in difficulty to balance. They are completely different games and have very different dynamics to work around.

"You don't know what's happening in the company..." I never understood that argument. It isn't relevant because it doesn't matter what's happening inside Riot. Someone or group is to blame for all this terrible balance. If it is the balance team, get rid of them. If someone is directing the changes we see today, remove him.

You want me to talk to Riot politely just for them to partake in a discussion? You think I didn't try? People tend to act angry once being nice fails. Everyone tried being nice and made simple complaints, Riot didn't listen. History tells us that once niceness fails, people get angry. That's when revolutions begin, when kings are killed, and when polarization begins among people forms.

MalrothDragonia1 votes

lol

Legacy Hydralpha5 votes

Currently I like the pre-season. Since bot lane has moved away from healing/shielding supports and more of a poke/engage lane, Bard is pretty good. My issue is mostly with what feels like a tank meta, since tanks are hard to kill and have high base damage, combine that with the fact that bruisers are feeling weaker than ever I can't play Aatrox or other fighters in peace. And I feel that marksmen are just getting favored by the balance team, as while champions like Sona are getting fucked over with several nerfs to everything they need, marksmen like Ezreal just get little love taps. Marksmen (and the bot lane in general) aren't just favored by the balance team, but the state of the game itself. I've constantly joked about how if bot lane is winning, we win, and that feels like the case. Since you have two champions getting ahead so you have to deal with a marksman that does more burst damage than an assassin, and a support that is either unkillable as a tank engage, or you can't even touch the ADC since they're not only healing themselves with life steal from items and runes, but the support gets so many shields and heals it's impossible to kill them, especially since item 3026 may as well be first or second item. It feels like Riot's team is always skirting around the issue when it comes to ADCs. Oh, they're healing too much? Now item 3076 and item 3075 exist and it fucks over champions such as Aatrox and Fiora. And do I even need to mention towers? They feel super weak and if you get enough people on a tower early, that shit's gone by 5 or 6 minutes. And with first blood tower gold and other factors, the game snowballs quickly, but sometimes I still do see a comeback (mostly because tanks just get a bunch of items and need a whole team to kill them)

Since that was a bit of an ugly text block, the main points: -Bot lane poke/engage meta is fun, but when bot has so much agency it becomes unbearable regardless of what champions it is -Bruisers are way too weak right now, so tanks take their place with higher base damage and just unkillable -Riot's team seems to favor ADCs, constantly fucking over other classes instead of tackling the problem head-on -Towers are weak as hell, dying quickly and barely protecting their lane -Game has too much snowball, from first blood tower gold to whatever else there is

And while I feel that we don't need to fire the entire development team or burn the Riot HQ down to the ground, some change needs to happen since it feels like the balance team isn't listening as well as the players like. Sure, it's preseason so things are crazy as hell, but when it's crazy in a bad way that makes players want to quit? Then it's a problem.

EDIT: Oh, right blue essence changes. I don't like it, since I feel that getting blue essence after every game would be way better than getting some shitty capsule. I'd rather have a reward after every game, and at level ups get a champion shard, some blue and orange essence, and when applicable an emote. And the price increases on shards is insane. It takes way too much to craft from a champion shard, mastery token, or skin shard. And with the sketchy shit Riot has done (Oh we knew that skin rerolls were rigged, we just didn't want to remove it until someone noticed!) it's harder to trust them as a company. As much as I would like to not buy RP, I ended up getting gift cards for Christmas.

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