If your lane is getting camped

Mira Arya Enthe·Sep 27, 2016·7 votes·1,439 views

PLAAAAY SAAAAFE AND WAAAARD! Jeez, it's been as simple as that since S1. Playing safe isn't trying to get off maximum harass, it's not trying to be clever and get kills, it isn't yelling at your jungler because they got two dragons and took the enemy buffs and ganked other lanes instead of your feeding butt. Playing safe is standing back, getting what farm you can, and not dying. Backing if your HP is low, and letting other people carry you.

You are wasting a lot of the enemy jungler's time if you aren't giving him anything.

22 Comments

Very Hard EngageSep 27, 20164 votes

well they removed green wards, and my trinket is on cd... and im far enough behind where i cant afford pinks or they die instantly or i cant contest with it....

sooooo.................

i need help from a ....... adc? nah screw that, team says im on my own. and although enemy jungler is camping my ass, its more important for ours to do.... whatever it is hes doing.

Mira Arya EntheSep 27, 20166 votes

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well they removed green wards, and my trinket is on cd... and im far enough behind where i cant afford pinks or they die instantly or i cant contest with it....

sooooo.................

i need help from a ....... adc? nah screw that, team says im on my own. and although enemy jungler is camping my ass, its more important for ours to do.... whatever it is hes doing.

If your ward is down and your jungler is busy with their farming, buffs, any other of the three lanes on the map, dragon, rift herald, enemy jungler or backing to buy. Then you freeze lane and play safe...

Junglers have more to worry about than your lane, by a lot. Two major map objectives, three lanes, their own farm, the enemy jungler, counter jungling, the distribution of buffs and warding nearly as much as the support for map awareness.

Very Hard EngageSep 27, 20161 votes

i can literally die under tower regardless. im good so i wont, but the enemy laner can be 4/5ths up the lane and just outside turret aggro.

and you are exactly the jungler who will allow that for 2 solid minutes being oblivious and not gank it.

ping assistance means nothing to you. your word is absolute and you dont communicate with your team.

inc "oh no i gank that immediately im a good jungler im not that type of trash"

Mira Arya EntheSep 27, 20163 votes

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i can literally die under tower regardless. im good so i wont, but the enemy laner can be 4/5ths up the lane and just outside turret aggro.

and you are exactly the jungler who will allow that for 2 solid minutes being oblivious and not gank it.

ping assistance means nothing to you. your word is absolute and you dont communicate with your team.

inc "oh no i gank that immediately im a good jungler im not that type of trash"

You mean I am the type of jungler who has 3 lanes, my own farm, 2 buffs, 2 objectives, enemy jungler, map control, counter jungling and backing to buy to worry about? No, you are the kind of person that when your jungler successfully ganks bot and helps take dragon, you then get mad because you died under Yasuo's turret top lane, then claim you 'were playing passive' and that it is my fault. Just like the ADCs who flash into a team fight first chasing a low HP kill then get mad when they die "NO PEELEELELELE? Bad SUPPRT!"

Very Hard EngageSep 27, 20161 votes

do you understand the concept of free?

and how anything free is instantly better than farming a whole side of a jungle?

in the wise words of NB3 challenger jungler

as a jungle player you go after...

inhib > baron > towers > dragon > free > vision control / map presence > ganks > cover for a backing laner > red/blue > optimal jungle route > stand alone camps.

if someone is more than halfway down the lane thats free, you walk up to the lane, FROM BEHIND, and gank that. just because you're half hp doesn't mean you're going to die, a countergank would be very unfortunate but thats a non factor till much higher in elo. 2v1's are so heavily valuable and sought after, they create such a lead.

Mira Arya EntheSep 27, 20162 votes

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do you understand the concept of free?

and how anything free is instantly better than farming a whole side of a jungle?

in the wise words of NB3 challenger jungler

as a jungle player you go after...

inhib > baron > towers > dragon > free > vision control / map presence > ganks > cover for a backing laner > red/blue > optimal jungle route > stand alone camps.

if someone is more than halfway down the lane thats free, you walk up to the lane, FROM BEHIND, and gank that. just because you're half hp doesn't mean you're going to die, a countergank would be very unfortunate but thats a non factor till much higher in elo. 2v1's are so heavily valuable and sought after, they create such a lead.

Just because you view a particular kills as free doesn't mean anybody else does. If a Garen is half way up his lane and I am anything below 60% HP, and even if my laner actually responds to my incoming gank(usually they farm another 3 seconds), Garen is likely to get away with his Q and W, if not kill me because you know, most top laners have a lot of kill power if you go in on them. Bot lane has 2 people who could kill you. And Mid is a very short lane which means it is easy to escape. Also if your jungler is down getting their red buff in bottom jungle, they cannot instantly teleport to your lane the second you need them because you chased a lvl 6 Kayle under her tower and died.

Junglers will always take ganks they can get and are near. But we also cannot sit in a bush for 5 minutes and wait for ideal conditions. We have to be up and down the map, farming, securing objectives, giving buffs to our team, helping other lanes as there are 3 of them. And if in that time you get tower dove because you stayed in lane with 10% HP against a Garen who has flash and ult up and the enemy jungler was there as well, that is 100% your problem.

Very Hard EngageSep 27, 20161 votes

ok, now were getting to the issue here, i say something is free, you disagree, thats fine, thats miscommunication ON YOUR END. we told you it was free, YOU DIDNT RESPOND. you didnt even offer your wise words of wisdom - git gud, stop feeding.

at least throw some caution pings, or type in - "i cant gank that, do this instead......."

Mira Arya EntheSep 27, 20163 votes

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ok, now were getting to the issue here, i say something is free, you disagree, thats fine, thats miscommunication ON YOUR END. we told you it was free, YOU DIDNT RESPOND. you didnt even offer your wise words of wisdom - git gud, stop feeding.

at least throw some caution pings, or type in - i cant gank that, do this instead.......

You know how many times I see a laner say "Free kill!" Then as I come up, they go in and die the second I get there, then I have to try to escape as the enemy top laner and jungler close in to kill me for a double? Just because you believe something is a free kill, doesn't mean it is. And again, I cannot cross a 19,000 unit map instantly to satisfy you. If I just got my krugs near bot and the enemy jungler and top laner kill you, I cannot warp across the map to save you.

I give caution pings, they go in, die, then get mad anyway. Because that is all people do. "Jungler lost my lane!" 0/13/0 on Teemo against Garen. Yep, I totally did that. "Jax camped" So ward and stay under your tower. Meanwhile I got dragons, took Jax jungle, helped mid secure a kill, counter ganked bot(because Jax wasn't really camping and has been bot), outfarmed Jax and covered Mid when they had to emergency back.

Very Hard EngageSep 28, 20161 votes

im seriously not interested in you opinions of how to jungle when i could listen to a challenger player instead (which is widely different than the things you are saying), poorly mimic what he does, and do better than you do or hope to do.

if you have trouble climbing, try something new from what youve currently been doing or believe is working for you.

if you are just venting about ragers and complainers theres always /ignore.

your stats will speak for itself.

RogueWillSep 28, 20161 votes

Focus on waveclear and nothing more until your trinkets come out of CD..... clearing what, 3 waves of minions using your abilities without harrasing the opponent won't kill you

Mistress ShyvanaSep 27, 20163 votes

Great straight forward way of saying it. Happens far too often that people will do the exact opposite of what you said. Which just makes things worse.

Keira HelshSep 27, 20162 votes

Seriously, it doesn't even make your jungler magically come and gank for you, it just throws everyone off, and makes solo laners sit there in there lanes and go, "I think I'll just mind my own business and not get involved with this raging lunatic.

Please, please, play safe when you're behind, an abandoned kitten finds a new home every time someone wards, do it for kitties!

HethaleanSep 27, 20162 votes

To be fair, sometimes you can get poked out under tower ( Caitlyn ) or tower dived rather well Elise .

I agree. However there needs to be a third sense of when to run away too because they gonna come kill you anyway despite tower.

Mira Arya EntheSep 27, 20161 votes

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To be fair, sometimes you can get poked out under tower () or tower dived rather well .

I agree. However there needs to be a third sense of when to run away too because they gonna come kill you anyway despite tower.

Yes, if I am 50% HP, under my tower alone on Sivir or Ashe(my ADCs), and there is an enemy Thresh, Lucian and Jax coming up the lane, and mid is MIA. Probably shouldn't try to poke my head out and harass the enemy Thresh.

k wìxSep 27, 20162 votes

I still think the turrets need to offer more protection to players who are having too much trouble laning. It's too easy for so many champions to dive for kills with very little effort.

Mira Arya EntheSep 27, 20161 votes

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I still think the turrets need to offer more protection to players who are having too much trouble laning. It's too easy for so many champions to dive for kills with very little effort.

Agreed but they don't, so people shouldn't play like they do.

L Psy KongrooSep 27, 20162 votes

I don't think people understand how serious dying in this game is. If you're dead, you lose gold, experience, and possibly your tower + other objectives if it was a multi-person gank. If you get 1v1'd in lane simply because you got outplayed or something, fine, it happens.

But then there are these idiots who think that their last death meant jack shit and they're just as strong as they were before. WRONG. During the time you were dead, your enemy laner gained a cs lead, bought additional items, advanced towards their level powerspike quicker, and maybe even secured herald/dragon.

Fighting them immediately afterwards expecting a victory is so stupid I can't even fathom how people can make such quotidian errors in judgement.

RecksySep 27, 20162 votes

true shit

TyrekGoldenspearSep 27, 20162 votes

I've read another post with a similar tactic, but if you're getting really camped, one thing to try is to roam to another lane, and let your tower go.

Benefits:

The wave is pushed so far down your side of the map that if you can freeze there you pretty much ended your enemy's laning phase. There is no way they can CS that far down without getting ambushed.

If you're at another lane, preferably bot lane, you and your jungler can turn your bot lane into a 4v2, and take their tower, and possibly dragon.

Your opponent will roam as well, giving you a nice couple waves of relevitely safe farm to catch back up. You can play safe from there, ward up and enemies that mess with you that close to base will have nowhere to run.

Cons:

Your enemy will get first tower blood if you can't hold the tower and buy your team time to knock down one of their towers and get first tower blood.

If you do this too late and after you died too many times, you'll end up setting a fed enemy loose on your team, and you can't help because you'll get deleted. So you're stuck farming to catch back up while your teams' getting their butts kicked.

Your team may not get your strategy and might flame you for leaving your lane and giving up your tower.

So yeah, that's a potential thing to do when you're camped. Stay safe and try not to let your enemy get fed, and once your team knocks down a tower, which should be easier since you're getting camped (which means their jungler is focused on you instead of applying global pressure), then you can let tower go, and let the wave come to you, farming with relative ease.

WoodakoodashoodaSep 27, 20161 votes

Even if you are being camped and you do ward, enemies will still dive you just to kill you under turret. If you're being denied farm, exp, gold, and you're being poked down then you're an easy target no matter how safe you play. I've put pinks on brushes behind the turret and it does nothing to stop the jungle from cutting off my escape route just so the enemy lane can kill me while the jg takes turret aggro.

If I am being camped then the other lanes need to do their jobs more proficiently so that my dying in situations in which it is unavoidable has less of an impact on the team's overall performance.

And I do jungle, a lot. I've seen these things happen from both sides. I don't like sacrificing a lane to help others, but I have to do what must be done to ensure the best results for our team.

So if I'm in lane and I am behind and in a position in which ganks come from behind no matter what wards I drop then I understand that mine is not a lane worth saving if it means risking falling behind. I've often even pinged for my jg to back off and to help others, knowing that my jg cannot help me...no one can. I just have to wait out the storm and hope I can perform better in team fights.

Mira Arya EntheSep 27, 20161 votes

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Even if you are being camped and you do ward, enemies will still dive you just to kill you under turret. If you're being denied farm, exp, gold, and you're being poked down then you're an easy target no matter how safe you play. I've put pinks on brushes behind the turret and it does nothing to stop the jungle from cutting off my escape route just so the enemy lane can kill me while the jg takes turret aggro.

If I am being camped then the other lanes need to do their jobs more proficiently so that my dying in situations in which it is unavoidable has less of an impact on the team's overall performance.

"Even being tower dove can be considered overextending" - Gbay99