Could we please buff Kalista?

PrinceArchie··7 votes·6,006 views

Honestly Kalista is pretty bad right now, I only play her because every Ezreal/Lucian player think they are suddenly a main and are gods, and in the off chance I get a good team comp it's doable to be useful. Even so however jesus christ this champion literately has no identity. It's no longer it's former self (its not a bully early game), unless you get massively fed by some stroke of luck or misplay you arent that strong come mid game compared to the other adc's and you fall off late, even to a stupid lucian who goes that broken Yomou/Black cleaver build which keeps him strong since the first component.

Main Issues with this champ:

  1. Cannot bully early due to no strong point in her kit- Her W passive was gutted so she cannot win bot lane trades as hard as she once did, she has a lot less base attack speed now even with the change to her W to give her more of it when near her support it doesnt make up for the W passive loss. The changes to her rend a while back really punishes SKILLED Kalista players who could rend reset frequently in lane with one or two minions and harrass an enemy ad. You can't continue to try to bully like that because your mana pool just evaporates. Her Ultimate is her only saving grace but at that point it's a toss up depending on the matchup and your support. Waiting until your level 6 isnt even the definition of lane bully since most dominate much earlier.

  2. Itemization is far too weak Kalista is supposed to be this early game bully with the mid game being her strongest point yes? So then why is BOTRK which is a very niche item so hard to feel good early in the game? It's ok for late game hyper carries that go IE to get this massive power spike when they hit B.F sword and a zeal, but Kalista a mid game carry isnt even hitting a spike until she has both BOTRK AND Runnans? For christs sake B.F is less gold than Bilge and give better combat effectiveness for the cost early game. RIOT PLEASE REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS! HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?!

  3. Has a very small window to be effective- Due to both her itemization being crap and her kit being nerfed to the ground for what I could only suspect the main reason being Competitive play "dominance" (she was strong but not pushing out other AD's if you actually watched all the regions and solo queue); you can only really hope to be any good in the mid game, mind you which is a very short window. Give or take 10-15 minutes to try to use the "power" kalista has relative to the enemy adc's potential to just outscale with raw crit/damage in the build and tanks who could just soak up everything you dish out which would turn on easily around 25-30 min into the game. It's ridiculously hard to win within these parameters if you cannot snowball early due to simply being weak in both kit and items.

To those who read and hopefully Riot more importantly. Make this champion an early game bully/ mid game monster once more. It's understandable why you nerfed her, she was pretty consistent in almost any bot lane matchup. I get it you ddnt want a jack of all, master of all adc in the meta. You wanted to expose a weaknesses, but to do so you indeed create one an unnecessary one; why which simply to make her a second rate ADC. Bad damage, bad build path, no hope to snowball in an even matchup. It's really frustrating and it needs to be addressed. A lot of the other AD's who thrive only do so large in part due to the major polarity in the strength of ADC itemization. AD's who build Reaver and Cleaver are the most dominant because the items themselves give way too much. Iceborn gauntlet is beyond broken and you still havent nerfed it, you havent made cleaver/yomous an item that lucian doesnt want to build or at the very least shouldnt be able to abuse in the way he does, and for god only knows why, you havent reduced the price of BOTRK or at the very least buffed cutlass so that it's worth the 1650 (or 1550 soon to be) you spend on it. Buff this champion, in your most recent video you praised champs like lucian and ezreal for being fun and I think a lot of people found Kalista fun. Most people dont play her because you gutted her. Undo this and at least let Skilled kalista players assert dominance in lane once more.

34 Comments

Jaygo418 votes

Her hop and infinitely stacking rend honestly disqualifies her from receiving any kind of meaningful buff... she takes over pro play even if she's the second to bottom of the shit barrel

PrinceArchie3 votes

How does she take over competitive play right now or even within the last 6 months? I feel like a lot of this "Kalista takes over competitive" is brainwashed nonsense and a knee jerk reaction to an over vocal minority/ overhyping of her strengths with those who are very good at the champion. The only concerning thing about Kalista was that she was powerful with and without her support. Being able to 1v1 and 2v2 with almost anyone. Making her attack speed reliant on her suppoort was "ok" but then why remove the W passive? Infintiely stacking Rend? Ok? While Kalista takes years to stack all those rends on you, another ad can take even less to just melt you with autos. A caItlyn, A jinx, a Sivir, vayne, twitch, a Lucian ,an ezreal can be just as monstrous if not more since they dont fall off heavy late. ALSO It takes a lot more experience to gauge when you can actually execute someone with Kalista's rend. Once you pop that rend, if you dont kill someone o something it wont reset and she has no more damage. What AD other AD can say that? You live and die by your rend, so of course it needs to be loaded.

Jaygo413 votes

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How does she take over competitive play right now or even within the last 6 months? I feel like a lot of this "Kalista takes over competitive" is brainwashed nonsense and a knee jerk reaction to an over vocal minority/ overhyping of her strengths with those who are very good at the champion. The only concerning thing about Kalista was that she was powerful with and without her support. Being able to 1v1 and 2v2 with almost anyone. Making her attack speed reliant on her suppoort was "ok" but then why remove the W passive? Infintiely stacking Rend? Ok? While Kalista takes years to stack all those rends on you, another ad can take even less to just melt you with autos. A caItlyn, A jinx, a Sivir, vayne, twitch, a Lucian ,an ezreal can be just as monstrous if not more since they dont fall off heavy late. ALSO It takes a lot more experience to gauge when you can actually execute someone with Kalista's rend. Once you pop that rend, if you dont kill someone o something it wont reset and she has no more damage. What AD other AD can say that? You live and die by your rend, so of course it needs to be loaded.

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MLDzXnRRR6 votes

item 3085 changes were buff to her. The problem is not in Kalista being strong botlane vs other ADCs and supports. She is toxic to play against later in the game as melee champion. Only MasterYi can reliably catch and kill her.

PrinceArchie5 votes

Fiora Ekko Irelia Pantheon Maokai XinZhao MonkeyKing Yasuo Zed Nasus Rammus

Honestly I could keep lisitng these mofos. You're severely overrating her kiting ability honestly. Any of the above listed champions incluiding the one you post can catch and kill her as I am assuming you are speaking in a 1v1 scenario. Kalista is legitimate crap without her support. Shes ALOT slower, if thats isnt enough to convince you item 3143 item 3025 item 3110 will instantly shut down any hopes she has of kiting. Soft CC hurts her like no other, you slow her shes dead. Runnans lost attack speed for 30% crit, which I admit was nice however it doesnt make her into a hyper carry late game. Her autos still do 90% of your base AD, you still heavily rely on a lot of rend stacks to take down tanks/carries and so by definition you fall off late. Toxic to play against as a melee champion? What ADC who isnt immobile isnt annoying for a melee?

RogueWill3 votes

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Fiora Ekko Irelia Pantheon Maokai XinZhao MonkeyKing Yasuo Zed Nasus Rammus

Honestly I could keep lisitng these mofos. You're severely overrating her kiting ability honestly. Any of the above listed champions incluiding the one you post can catch and kill her as I am assuming you are speaking in a 1v1 scenario. Kalista is legitimate crap without her support. Shes ALOT slower, if thats isnt enough to convince you item 3143 item 3025 item 3110 will instantly shut down any hopes she has of kiting. Soft CC hurts her like no other, you slow her shes dead. Runnans lost attack speed for 30% crit, which I admit was nice however it doesnt make her into a hyper carry late game. Her autos still do 90% of your base AD, you still heavily rely on a lot of rend stacks to take down tanks/carries and so by definition you fall off late. Toxic to play against as a melee champion? What ADC who isnt immobile isnt annoying for a melee?

Pantheon XinZhao cant.... not enough mobility. The rest are probably able but as long as the rest of Kalista team intervene their chances of actually catch her goes slim

PrinceArchie2 votes

What AD's chances of survival arent better when grouped with their team? Thats like ADC 101. Your team peels/soaks cc and damage for you so you can auto. Thats what AD's do. I feel like people mistake the strength of the champion with the nature of ADC's as a whole and they just want to remember the horrible times they were kited away by a kalista because you know kalista is the only AD that can effectively kite? Lucian Vayne Caitlyn Ezreal etc.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Fiora can't, ekko can't unless he has stormraider's and his passive, mao can't unless he already reached kali, harambe can't, kali can kite a fucking yasuo with enough attackspeed, Can kite zed, can kite nasus EASILY (He has fucking 0 mobility) same for rammus

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Lol no Kalista can kite Yasuo very easily outside a minion wave and even inside one if kal has enough attack speed lmao

stayshock2 votes

wrong....wrong

"Any" assassin has her number easily because MOST perform a dash or leap stun attack and its over. All the ADC's can out shoot her rather in the form of pure speed or their kit's range.

I play 4-6 times a day for fun and want that to continue....but I can only have fun when I have a character that ALLOWS ME to carry my weight. The constant counter balancing is annoying and the breakdown of your character is depressing!!!

Its gotten to the point that I ask myself "why do I play the game??"..... because the only character I truly like can't contribute till the game is basically over. She is too slow, weak and has a great ult that works depending on if the dice gives you a good or crappy partner. The needed buffs are slight but please speed up her movement and attack speed a bit.

She cannot hold her own against anyone except a Tristana without a partner and that match/coop is a coin toss. If you have a partner that doesn't want to play aggressive your ult just became a "save me" tool. They need to buff her..........forget all the haters..... and I don't care that some super nerd who plays professionally figured out how to make her invincible!!!

My opinion is: I say get rid of the sentinel for something else or make "W" release 4 sentinels that also do small percentage of damage when they scream.

I WISH RIOT WOULD STOP CHANGING THE WEAPONS!!!!

Runaan Hurricane is great once you get it but its not enough when they gutted her so bad. Your items have to focus on speed with little damage or damage with little speed. The real problem now is that everyone else has been buffed and she cant keep up. Ashe somehow became a machine gun, Kog maw you wont win in a head to head, Lucian will kill you and hunt you down, Jax just jumps on you and its over, Akali, Zed, Irelia.... dash = dead.

I started adding "frozen mallot" to give me a chance to slow the enemy so I can get away but of course RIOT added less power. I can give a damn about hp when I have assassins who have the ability to kill me in an instant.

SaltyKracka6 votes

Is Kalista bad?

Good.

WoonStruck5 votes

How about we rework her instead.

Any time she's decent she's going to be the only option.

I can't believe there are actually people willing to upvote this.

PrinceArchie3 votes

She was never the only option. She was decent before the W nerf and there were tons of AD's being played and picked over her. Even teams in competitive didnt pick/ban her for a while and opted for champions such as Sivir, ashe, corki, etc. She literately was fine before 6.5 Riot nerfed her for the sake of removing her from the equation honestly. If she hadnt been nerfed in 6.6 we'd probably be Kalista, Lucian and Ezreal along with Sivir and Caitlyn. At least in this scenario ADC's who didnt want to waIt till late game and wanted to make plays could compete aggressively against lucian legitimately playing as kalista without fear of falling off mid game.

stealthfox945 votes

And yet she still gets picked in LCS.

PrinceArchie2 votes

She hasnt been picked or banned in any of the games.What are you on right now?

stealthfox944 votes

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She hasnt been picked or banned in any of the games.What are you on right now?

She was picked in EU.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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She was picked in EU.

How many times? 3-4-5? or only 1?

stealthfox944 votes

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How many times? 3-4-5? or only 1?

My point being she was picked.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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My point being she was picked.

She was picked so she is fine?

Maybe she was picked but she is weak.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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And yet she still gets picked in LCS.

Watch LCS.Don't talk without knowing.

KVbqbFsC8e4 votes

Rework needed, not buffs.

ScrubSTC1 votes

why a rework?

PIuie Battante2 votes

She's not made to be a early game bully...her theme is around late game/team fighting. As to why she has a lot of kiting and the built in "bond"/rend system.

PrinceArchie3 votes

Guy she was always an early game/mid game ADC. She falls off late because she doesnt build crit usually and her damage comes from the rend which takes a while to stack. She's strongest in the mid game for this reason because usually enemy carries do not have enough power to burst her down at this point and tanks are tanky enough to completely shut her out. So in a team fight/skirmish in the mid game it would be quite easy for you to melt anyone you wanted because they didnt have the massive amounts of hp, armor, or attack stats to deal with you before you could get enough spears to execute them. Late game she has no such luxury, her build path isnt optimized for late because her kit isnt designed for late. Your autos dont do enough compared to almost every other adc, you have short range, not alot of crit, your rend stacking would take a while but you dont have a while usually late game. It's possible to carry late game, but you're not supposed to, its extremely hard to do so. I know the champ very well I main her, the recent changes to pretty much keep her tethered to her support is literately only a crutch to her former self. She could split off, duel in the mid game vs. almost anyone, be a legitimate threat if her supp roamed, etc. Now you're literately an ult bot at best. :/

Pawn Dog2 votes

They should just remove 90% of dmg AA on her passive and put 100% and thats it.

JahWaves2 votes

if they did that would be unfair as you also have to count in the e damage. If she uses e it would do more than a regular auto.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Fk that piece of shit making half of the melee roster absolute trash when she's viable so fuck no

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

After a while.Yes she needs buff but early.

PIuie Battante1 votes

item 3153 item 3139 item 3036 item 3085 item 3031 item 3009

you can always swap out merc scimitar if there's gonna be no champions like Alistar on your dick.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

kalista is a girl fyi

Sugar Trumpet1 votes

I usually build a Frozen Mallet because it is very strong when kiting agaisnt tanks. item 3022

my usual build is:item 3153 item 3085 item 3022 item 3006 item 3036 item 3072

Athenes Lulu1 votes

I know, buff Kalista :^)))))))))

yes it's just one game I know

Vyrgis1 votes

Honestly i believe the dmg output may stay the same, but, BUT the stuff with 0,66% windup has to be 1% again. And slows (movement slowing abilities) destroyes her way to hard, since it slows her AA aswell.

Sugar Trumpet1 votes

Right now i main Kalista. I think we should buff Kalista since i usually see people who instalock bad support champs for kalista, earlier i played with an Aurelion support and he intentionally fed, mainly because Kalista`s ult I need to have a member of my team to support me. When I play alone i find it hard to actually get put together with a good support for Kalista and this makes it very hard to play as her. This is not too big of a problem but if you get put together with a troller you will not win the game.

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