Fiora vs Jax. Who do you think is stronger late game with the following builds?

nachocheeseeeee·Sep 25, 2018·1 votes·2,491 views

Items: Runes: Conqueror, Overheal (with shield from excess healing), Alacrity (fully stacked = +18 attack speed), Coup de Grace, Nimbus Cloak, Gathering Storm (at 60 min = +101 AD)

Items: Runes: Lethal Tempo, Overheal (with shield from excess healing), Alacrity (fully stacked = +18 attack speed), Coup de Grace, Nimbus Cloak, Gathering Storm (at 60 min = +101 AD)

You probably wondering where their boots are, but this scenario is just designed for theoretical strongest 1v1 build for these two.

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z63XnLCMwXSep 25, 20182 votes

Jax. He has a larger window opportunity to take fiora down. Fiora has a 0.75 immunity to damage while Jax has a 2 seconds AA immunity, giving Jax 1.25s of free damage on her. However, that Jax build is absolute trash.

DODGEORLOSESep 25, 20181 votes

actually it's a skill matchup

SaezioSep 25, 20181 votes

You mean stronger vs eachother? Stronger splitpush? Stronger teamfight? Stronger what?

nachocheeseeeeeSep 25, 20181 votes

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You mean stronger vs eachother? Stronger splitpush? Stronger teamfight? Stronger what?

Versus each other. Lol.

SaezioSep 25, 20182 votes

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Versus each other. Lol.

Oh so straight up 1v1 none jumps the other out of a bush I assume. Fiora wins I think because jax can't use E unless he wants to get stunned and get all 4 of his vitals hit and trigger the AOE heal. But in truth it is a skill matchup I think if both are played PERFECTLY fiora wins because of the true damage and because jax has to auto 6 times to get his rageblade to stack. But why do you even ask this scenario would never happen. Both these builds are bad especially against eachother

z63XnLCMwXSep 25, 20181 votes

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Oh so straight up 1v1 none jumps the other out of a bush I assume. Fiora wins I think because jax can't use E unless he wants to get stunned and get all 4 of his vitals hit and trigger the AOE heal. But in truth it is a skill matchup I think if both are played PERFECTLY fiora wins because of the true damage and because jax has to auto 6 times to get his rageblade to stack. But why do you even ask this scenario would never happen. Both these builds are bad especially against eachother

There's two places where you're wrong. Jax only gets stunned if he activates or the counterstrike effect procs during Fiora's riptose. Which means if fiora activate riptose the moment jax counter strikes, he just needs to wait it out for her effect to run off then he would still be able to stun her. If she activates riptose 1.25 seconds in meaning she has it up till Jax counterstrike ends, he has either a choice of sidestepping her parry OR activating counterstrike between 1.0s and 1.25 still stunning before she parries. It's all about timing with Jax having the theoretical advantage.

The second point is Jax does not need to AA 6 times for rageblade to stack. For melee, it takes 4 attacks to fully stack rageblade

Source from the wikia "Unique: Basic attacks grant 8% attack speed, 2.5% bonus AD, and 2.5% AP for 5 seconds, stacking up to 6 times, granting a maximum of 48% attack speed, 15% bonus AD, and 15% AP. At 6 stacks, gain Guinsoo's Rage. While at half stacks, Melee role: melee champions' next basic attack will fully stack Rageblade."

You are right that both build are bad.

SaezioSep 25, 20181 votes

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There's two places where you're wrong. Jax only gets stunned if he activates or the counterstrike effect procs during Fiora's riptose. Which means if fiora activate riptose the moment jax counter strikes, he just needs to wait it out for her effect to run off then he would still be able to stun her. If she activates riptose 1.25 seconds in meaning she has it up till Jax counterstrike ends, he has either a choice of sidestepping her parry OR activating counterstrike between 1.0s and 1.25 still stunning before she parries. It's all about timing with Jax having the theoretical advantage.

The second point is Jax does not need to AA 6 times for rageblade to stack. For melee, it takes 4 attacks to fully stack rageblade

Source from the wikia "Unique: Basic attacks grant 8% attack speed, 2.5% bonus AD, and 2.5% AP for 5 seconds, stacking up to 6 times, granting a maximum of 48% attack speed, 15% bonus AD, and 15% AP. At 6 stacks, gain Guinsoo's Rage. While at half stacks, Melee role: melee champions' next basic attack will fully stack Rageblade."

You are right that both build are bad.

Yeah about the Rageblade you are correct my bad. And my assumption that both play it perfectly is flawed by nature because both can't play it perfectly, jax has to stun to play it perfectly and so does fiora so it's a kind of paradox I think.