Syndra Syndra Syndra

Asud··3 votes·1,204 views

I wrote a dozen of these and will continue until i get a rioter. Why is it that a champion, designed as lane bully, actually gets bullied in lane by pretty much everyone? Why is it that, the so-called Press R to delete champion actually can't execute a target with 20% hp and no MR with a 5 ball ultimate, while someone like Lux does more damage with AOE, global spell, and also gets rewarded if she kills you by taking the time of her cooldown. Syndra is the single, easiest champion to kill in league of legends, yet she isnt rewarded at all for keeping alive and hitting those abilities. Her Q is primary damage spell. And while most mages have like 80% Ap ratio on their primary spells Syndra has only 65%. And again she has one of the hardest skillshots to land in league of legends. Against syndra in lane, you can literally forget the boots as you can see her Q animation and walk out every time. If you have hands she cant hit you. same with her E, even easier with her W. most mages can outpush her. All mages outdamage her. Literally everyone. But even that wouldnt be an issue if she brought something other than damage to the table. Her kit is designed so she has to build glass-cannon full AP She has no sustain, no shields, no movement speed. No reliable CC. she has to cast 2 of her spells to CC a champion. 2! that is only seen by Brand in this game. But Brand can go liandrys first item smash head on keyboard and get a penta. What can Syndra do? Press all buttons. Die. While getting outdamaged by support who has 2 levels less and 2 thousand gold less. They could literally buff half of her kit like they did to Sejuani, and she would still be mehh tier. Slow on her W isnt even a real slow, its irrelevant. Her stun is the easiest thing to miss in this game and even than its not that dangerous when ure cool cuz she cant kill you. She needs massive buffs or mini rework, Like get movespeed when you hit Q or killing minions with Q gives part of the mana back. or make the ultimate into some sort of execute, so garen with 50hp cant just press W and survive with 40 hp. Or give her a shield which procs of of some combo or whatever. Something that isnt braindead but instead rewards mastering the champion and playing her correctly. Edit : Go on downvote me, all of you that got deleted once in season 6 or 7 by one decent Syndra.

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Rock MD1 votes

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Why is it that a champion, designed as lane bully, actually gets bullied in lane by pretty much everyone?

She still bullies every lane that isn't a counterpick. You just have to be really good at spacing and being super aggressive.

Why is it that, the so-called Press R to delete champion actually can't execute a target with 20% hp and no MR with a 5 ball ultimate, while someone like Lux does more damage with AOE, global spell, and also gets rewarded if she kills you by taking the time of her cooldown.

Because Lux isn't as strong of a bully, has much higher CDs, is extremely transparent to play against, has both lower burst and dps, and doesn't shove nearly as hard as Syndra?

Also, according to the ratios on their ultimates Lux - 300/400/500(75%AP) Syndra - (270/405/540)(60%AP) + 90/135/180(20%AP) per ball Syndra has higher damage on her ultimate so long as a single ball is out. So no it doesn't do more damage.

Syndra is the single, easiest champion to kill in league of legends, yet she isnt rewarded at all for keeping alive and hitting those abilities.

You're rewarded with one of the longest catch range abilities, high bully potential, priority for most of the game (again, except into counterpicks), and high DPS going into the late-game.

Her Q is primary damage spell. And while most mages have like 80% Ap ratio on their primary spells Syndra has only 65%.

and?

And again she has one of the hardest skillshots to land in league of legends.

Just because it's small doesn't mean it's difficult to land. Even if it is, that's a small tradeoff for having no cast time.

Against syndra in lane, you can literally forget the boots as you can see her Q animation and walk out every time. If you have hands she cant hit you. same with her E, even easier with her W.

Maybe you need to stick to an easier champion than.

most mages can outpush her.

lol

All mages outdamage her.

also lol

Literally everyone. But even that wouldnt be an issue if she brought something other than damage to the table.

She has a stun and a slow???

Her kit is designed so she has to build glass-cannon full AP

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

She has no sustain, no shields, no movement speed. No reliable CC.

It's not unreliable just because it's a skillshot. Also, it's a knockback AND a stun. As for shields, sustain, and MS she doesn't really need those.

she has to cast 2 of her spells to CC a champion. 2! that is only seen by Brand in this game. But Brand can go liandrys first item smash head on keyboard and get a penta. What can Syndra do?

E CC's a champion. Landing a spell first gives her a more powerful CC, with an extremely long range.

Press all buttons. Die. While getting outdamaged by support who has 2 levels less and 2 thousand gold less.

Bullshit

They could literally buff half of her kit like they did to Sejuani, and she would still be mehh tier.

Also bullshit

Slow on her W isnt even a real slow, its irrelevant.

Why? Because it's not >50%?

Her stun is the easiest thing to miss in this game and even than its not that dangerous when ure cool cuz she cant kill you.

Just play another champion. I understand that Syndra feels underwhelming right now but it's clear you don't know the first thing about the champ and she's too difficult for you.

Asud1 votes

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She still bullies every lane that isn't a counterpick. You just have to be really good at spacing and being super aggressive.

Because Lux isn't as strong of a bully, has much higher CDs, is extremely transparent to play against, has both lower burst and dps, and doesn't shove nearly as hard as Syndra?

Also, according to the ratios on their ultimates Lux - 300/400/500(75%AP) Syndra - (270/405/540)(60%AP) + 90/135/180(20%AP) per ball Syndra has higher damage on her ultimate so long as a single ball is out. So no it doesn't do more damage.

You're rewarded with one of the longest catch range abilities, high bully potential, priority for most of the game (again, except into counterpicks), and high DPS going into the late-game.

and?

Just because it's small doesn't mean it's difficult to land. Even if it is, that's a small tradeoff for having no cast time.

Maybe you need to stick to an easier champion than.

lol

also lol

She has a stun and a slow???

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

It's not unreliable just because it's a skillshot. Also, it's a knockback AND a stun. As for shields, sustain, and MS she doesn't really need those.

E CC's a champion. Landing a spell first gives her a more powerful CC, with an extremely long range.

Bullshit

Also bullshit

Why? Because it's not >50%?

Just play another champion. I understand that Syndra feels underwhelming right now but it's clear you don't know the first thing about the champ and she's too difficult for you.

Okay, i really appreciate that you took time to actually write your response and somewhat reason on it. BUT, its mostly bullshit imho. This makes me understand that you nether play against syndra nowadays which is understandable because no one plays her, nor you ever play her which is understandable because why would you when you can take Veigar per say jerk around for 10 minutes and then go on to win the game actually. I can see Ahri on your profile picture so i guess that you have played her. So you know that you one Q does more damage to the minion wave than entire Syndras combo? Let me count them up: Anivia, Ahri, ASol, Heimer, Lux, Lissandra, Malzahar, Morgana, Neeko, Taliyah,Twisted Fate, Veigar, Velqoz, Xerath and Zoe all have more waveclear than Syndra. Additionaly: GP, Sylas, Ekko, Talon, and of course Yasuo all have better waveclear if need be on mid. To get hit by Syndra's Q in lane you need to be quite disabled tbh. Or play with above 80 ping. Which is disability again i guess. I am terrible at dodging skillshots yet when i come to play against Syndra i never get hit by one. Thats how easy she is to dodge. Also yeah the thing about lux ulti, doesnt her R damage amplify if she targets you with her passive? I think it does. And she will only ever fire it in lane IF and only if she hits you with her Q. And she can fire it with no hesitation because cooldown is ridiculous. I've lost lane against Luxes who fired their ulti as soon as they hit first Q. She takes you down to 30% hp or less even though she has no kills or anything. And thats it. You are a sitting duck to any jungler. But, back to Syndra. Every single mage right now can outdamage Syndra. Thats a fact. Some outdamage her in burst and those are:Ahri Annie Brand Lux Neeko Veigar Velkoz Vladimir Zyra And some outdamage her in sustained dps. Except maybe Lissandra who serves as CC lockdown machine and maybe Twisted Fate who is a glorified support. She has to build glass cannon but isnt rewarded for building glass cannon. Nowhere near enough. Also without a stun knocking back someone for 400 units isnt gonna do much since she has second lowest mobility in the game. Matched only by Anivia's 5 less movement speed. But then again compare how hard it is to kill Anivia to how hard it is to Kill Syndra. Also Lux has equal mobility to Syndra but her CC spell has no actual cooldown, she can also build Lich Bane and get movement speed from it. There are some other with same base move speed but they all either have mobility spells like Gragas does, or always build items that give movement speed. I agree that she doesn't "need" shields, bonus move speed or sustain IF she gets damage buff but then everyone is going to cry and get all delusional and biased about her damage so maybe she should get power from other source other than pure damage. Brand with Liandry's Torment WILL outdamage every other mage in the game, in every 5on5 teamfight and he doesnt give a damn that he is 2 or more levels behind and doesnt have Deathcap or whatever the midlaner has bought. The only way Syndra can work in teamfight is if she has 2 big CC tanks to frontline for her so she can DPS from safety. OR if she has extremely good, and extremely fed adc which she can protect with her E. Other comps tend to leave her hanging every single time. Easier champion? She isnt that hard shes just bad. Unrewarding. I can make even harder champions work but only can't make my main work? Isnt that kinda suspicious? Her slow is 25% until level 14 when i becomes 30% and at that time you literally have champions that can be slowed for 30 % and still faster than her. With 10 buffs like Sejuani got Syndra would still be mehh tier. You called bullshit on that. I was kinda overexaggerating there but still she would fall short to the power someone like Lissandra brings to the team. And the last statement i'll just have to take as meaningless insult, since i do in fact know quite a bit about all of league's champions, and their respective places in the game.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Nerf the knockback on her E, that's definitely draining power off of her kit if her knockback cd is low enough to the point where a lot of immobile melees wont ever touch her despite her never stunning them.

Atleast you can dodge lux`s snare. (Just not at melee range)

Asud1 votes

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Nerf the knockback on her E, that's definitely draining power off of her kit if her knockback cd is low enough to the point where a lot of immobile melees wont ever touch her despite her never stunning them.

Atleast you can dodge lux`s snare. (Just not at melee range)

You gotta be kidding me? Her E has 8 seconds cooldown at max level with 40 % CDR which she rarely gets nowadays since her build looks like item 3285 item 3020 item 3165 item 3089 . Meaning its usually around 10 seconds at max rank. And she is the second slowest champion in the game. And i will meme this a bit because its worth a meme. You can get knocked back as Darius. Stop for a recall. Ghost from base and still catch her before she retreats. You get the picture?

Tahminatrix 1 votes

No I don't get whatever "picture" you are even painting..ive repeatedly slowed a Syndra as TahmKench and she was awful to have to try to catch despite her never even trying to dodge my q....It wasn't like she had cloud drake or an upgraded boot advantage (no swiftees or mercs to reduce my slow)

Asud1 votes

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No I don't get whatever "picture" you are even painting..ive repeatedly slowed a Syndra as TahmKench and she was awful to have to try to catch despite her never even trying to dodge my q....It wasn't like she had cloud drake or an upgraded boot advantage (no swiftees or mercs to reduce my slow) over me...

I dont understand what happened to you but there is no way that tahm cannot get on top of Syndra's head. He has more base movement speed alongside being able to build item 3800 and what not else. The only thing that comes to my mind is that she had item 3907 Which does give 10% movespeed and up to 50% movespeed on activation. Other than that one legged grandma can stick on to her.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

She doesn't root herself when she uses her knockback, and tahm roots himself when he uses his q....

Literally all of syndras abilities can be casted while moving...apparently..

Asud1 votes

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She doesn't root herself when she uses her knockback, and tahm roots himself when he uses his q....

Literally all of syndras abilities can be casted while moving...apparently..

It's true. Syndra is able to move while casting all of her abilities. That's one of thing that make her unique. But fine lets say that, for some reason, you couldn't get on top of her. This one time. Wow. The broken OP champion survived this one fight. How could they let this happen. Better nerf Syndra she killed my cannon minion.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

In what universe did I say NERF her..

This is what is making her weak, she can consistently kite immobile melees which arnt very common in the first place, she has the same issue as Ashe where too much power in her kit is for things that you don't need (consistent slows when everyone has dashes), syndra doesn't need to bully an immobile melee in order to win midlane yet she is almost specialized for it and being reliably safe against immobile melees.

If they took that away from her and gave her something else she would be stronger imagine how strong of a buff she could get if her consistency against immobile melees was lowered.

Asud1 votes

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In what universe did I say NERF her..

This is what is making her weak, she can consistently kite immobile melees which arnt very common in the first place, she has the same issue as Ashe where too much power in her kit is for things that you don't need (consistent slows when everyone has dashes), syndra doesn't need to bully an immobile melee in order to win midlane yet she is almost specialized for it and being reliably safe against immobile melees.

If they took that away from her and gave her something else she would be stronger imagine how strong of a buff she could get if her consistency against immobile melees was lowered.

Yeah, i guess they shd remove that. Do a lil VGU make her more sympathetic to the female part of the playerbase ( steal some of the lux mains) Give her a PAJAMA guardian skin lol and bcs her E is out of the picture give her an aoe spell with the size of australia so she cant miss it, like lux cant miss her E.

fire2631 votes

Let's hopefully write a constructive response, and not some rant I go off into. First things first, no, I will not deny she is weak. She is pretty weak right now, but like many mages still good in capable hands. There are plenty of mages that aren't necessarily strong but can still be playable and usable as long as time and effort is put into it (Anivia, Asol, Ori, etc).

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I wrote a dozen of these and will continue until i get a rioter. Why is it that a champion, designed as lane bully, actually gets bullied in lane by pretty much everyone?

Actually, She probably does a lot better than a lot of mages in lane, and definitely can win some matchups. Yes, she has counters, but pretty much everyone countering her is an exaggeration.

Why is it that, the so-called Press R to delete champion actually can't execute a target with 20% hp and no MR with a 5 ball ultimate, while someone like Lux does more damage with AOE, global spell, and also gets rewarded if she kills you by taking the time of her cooldown.

Well, first of all your R does plenty more damage than a Lux R, even more if you have more balls out, and it's point and click for the tradeoff of not being AOE and having less range. Lux ult on paper is better, but you can't just compare one champions abilities to another without looking at the rest of their kits.

Syndra is the single, easiest champion to kill in league of legends, yet she isnt rewarded at all for keeping alive and hitting those abilities.

She definitely is rewarded for hitting Q's, and your E is one of the best CC's in the game imo.

Her Q is primary damage spell. And while most mages have like 80% Ap ratio on their primary spells Syndra has only 65%.

Yea, but her Q is also on a much shorter cooldown and 65% ap ratio is quite generous for something that's almost a 2 second cooldown with CDR, not to mention more damage rank 5.

And again she has one of the hardest skillshots to land in league of legends.

Won't argue with this, her Q is hard to hit.

Against syndra in lane, you can literally forget the boots as you can see her Q animation and walk out every time. If you have hands she cant hit you.

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same with her E, even easier with her W.

Not really, her E is an even faster Asol ultimate in terms of CC, easily being able to disengage with any melee champions, not to mention it can turn into AOE super long range stun. W is somewhat hard to hit but it's good waveclear and the slow is quite strong.

most mages can outpush her. All mages outdamage her.

Not really, her waveclear is one of the best and her damage is no joke if she's hitting spheres.

Literally everyone. But even that wouldnt be an issue if she brought something other than damage to the table.

Good catch potential, long range AOE stun, slow, consistent damage with Q, easy disengage?

Her kit is designed so she has to build glass-cannon full AP

So are most mages, and she can still buy zhonyas etc.

She has no sustain, no shields, no movement speed. No reliable CC.

Her CC is quite reliable

she has to cast 2 of her spells to CC a champion. 2! that is only seen by Brand in this game. But Brand can go liandrys first item smash head on keyboard and get a penta. What can Syndra do?

She still can CC with one E or W, for two abilities she gets one of the longest range CC's that's aoe.

Press all buttons. Die. While getting outdamaged by support who has 2 levels less and 2 thousand gold less.

Well if you're just pressing buttons and hoping for the best I don't think that's how you should be playing her.

They could literally buff half of her kit like they did to Sejuani, and she would still be mehh tier.

Not quite, and Sejuani changes were more of a rebalance not a straight buff.

Slow on her W isnt even a real slow, its irrelevant.

45% slow lategame is pretty strong, lasts 1.5 seconds too.

Her stun is the easiest thing to miss in this game and even than its not that dangerous when ure cool cuz she cant kill you.

It's super long range and AOE, easy to hit in teamfights. Yea, no.

She needs massive buffs or mini rework,

Not massive buffs, and her kit is still viable enough that she doesn't need a mini rework.

Like get movespeed when you hit Q

Could be interesting.

or killing minions with Q gives part of the mana back.

Yes, this would be nice.

or make the ultimate into some sort of execute, so garen with 50hp cant just press W and survive with 40 hp.

Perhaps, but then damage would have to be lowered if you just use it on a 100% hp target as that would be quite strong of an ability.

Or give her a shield which procs of of some combo or whatever.

Doesn't fit her theme, nope.

Something that isnt braindead but instead rewards mastering the champion and playing her correctly.

She is quite rewarding right now, perhaps not strong but definitely usable. I could see her getting buffed, but you seem to make her out to be kalista tier, and no, she is nowhere near that. Her kit is still usable if played right, and can be quite good when combined with a solid team which is why she's still played a decent amount in LCS. Some buffs and QOL changes would be nice, but nothing much more than that.

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