The fizz ult change was weird

Dracocrash··116 votes·6,439 views

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Penns35 votes

The thing is that, when it misses, it stays on the ground and gets a pretty big attachment radius. Kinda hard to make the visuals match the hitbox when it instantly attaches after missing.

GrReaper969 votes

They should make the fish grow in size while travelling to match the attachment box

Penns9 votes

The fish does grow the further you throw it, just not.. that extreme. Would be funny to see such a big fish tho lol.

RocketRelm1 votes

Maybe they should just make the radius of the ult start small, and grow over time.

Anivia

(That way it still has the larger radius from being thrown farther, just not 'immediately'.)

Penns1 votes

Well Anivia can place it on top of someone and block them with W/stun them with Q. If Fizz ult doesnt attach instantly, you wont run back into it so making the radius grow over time would basically do nothing.

bbQsauçe27 votes

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Prince Satan14 votes

His early game is just terrble, but there is little counter play to an experienced fed fizz player. If you want to revert to old fizz than you might as well buff his e cd back and lower the early mana cost to make his level 1-2 less cancer against any ranged champion in the game.

Cosmic Warper4 votes

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His early game is just terrble, but there is little counter play to an experienced fed fizz player. If you want to revert to old fizz than you might as well buff his e cd back and lower the early mana cost to make his level 1-2 less cancer against any ranged champion in the game.

All i would like is the e cd to go down just a bit and his w to not require 2s of random shit after an auto to get the empowered w (1.5-1s is better). They can even lower his damage if they're going to increase his reliability.

NightmareAmazoX2 votes

Old fizz would bring back Tank Fizz though.

ChaoticPinecone2 votes

Old Fizz only brings back Tank Fizz if A) his W does meaningful base damage and/or B) his E has a very low cooldown at level 18 and 40% CDR.

They can make the empowered W instant and it wouldnt bring back Tank Fizz. Tank Fizz relied on a 100% uptime of his W-empowered autoattacks for % missing health bleed damage. Tank Fizz can still be a nuisance against squishies, but he cant hold his own against bruisers anymore.

Dethflash3 votes

Least old fizz was fun to play, new fizz is frustrating to play as and against. Now with Fizz's new W trinity force then stright tank fizz is a very real thing, and its even stronger than tank fizz ever was last season. having to wait 2 seconds after fizz autos for his W to do triple magic dmg, its almost like riot said "we dont like tank fizz, so with fizz rework we are getting rid of AP assassin fizz"

Dracocrash2 votes

As someone who has played tank fizz(post-rework), its pretty trash. It only works if you snowball, and the enemy allows you to kill him at early levels.

Ap fizz isnt AS bad as some people claim it to be, but it is "binary" as stated by some people.

I would say fizz is kind of like zed now. You need ult to assassinate a target (unless your enemy is stupid, or you are over fed.)

Except zed gets a point and click ultimate, while fizz gets a ranged AOE skillshot ultimate.

Fızz3 votes

not really, zed is more safe, and doesn't have 2 sec to do maximum damage, and he can poke while fizz every time his ult is on CD, he's afk

MohawkBird14 votes

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Pommel Knight3 votes

That's kind of the point, they made fizz so reliant on it to do anything post laning phase so you can only dodge it with mobility. If you could just walk out of it what would be the point of the long ass cdr and the fact that Fizz cant prock his already long delay w.

If you ask me it's just really bad rework design, they tried to add more delays artificially. Fizz es kit was 100% doge-able before, besides w which was an mele aa boost. He even had a lot of delays, e was 0.75-1.25 s and r was 1.5s skillshot ult. q could be dodged or stopped.

Almaterrador2 votes

Short guide to Fizz Jungle: Rush Level 6

An Undead brat2 votes

100% of his kit is dodgeable, except of his W, so that makes it 75% dodgeable. And saying his Q and E are dodgeable is bullshit, you need a mobility spell to do that, that's the same as saying flash-Tibbers is dodgeable - no it's not.

That leaves us to his ult, 25% is dodgeable, but that is not true anymore because of that long-range ult hitbox. Aaaaand we're on 0%.

I don't say Fizz is OP or even strong now, I met ONE since the assassin update and he was doing mediocre, I'm just saying that calling his kit 100% dodgeable is absolutely untrue nonsence.

Penns2 votes

Difference is that flash-Tibbers happens instantly, there is no time to react. Dodging Fizz Q is hard but, as a Fizz player, it happens way more than you would think. His E has like ~1.5s delay tho.

It doesnt really matter if his kit is hard to dodge without a mobility spell, it is still dodgable minus W, isnt it?

An Undead brat1 votes

1.5 seconds? Lol that's twice Zyra's E cast time and Fizz safely dashes through her while she casts it, so that's nonsence - and I played alot against Fizz, I remember those times this happened, if there is a delay, it must be like 0.25s - and that's not enough time to dodge something you don't know will happen (there's no indicator) unless by an accident.

It does matter, because it's not possible to dodge with your own agency, only if Fizz fucks up, when he stands on top of you, you can't run away from his E hitbox with any champion, their MVS just don't allow that, so that's hardly considered a skillshot, and you just can't dodge the max range ult because that stupid hitbox, again, unless Fizz fucks up and sends it on the other side of lane.

Penns3 votes

The delay before he does damage with it is around 1.5s unless he uses the second part of E but thats unreliable, he gets untargetable instantly (if it decides to work correctly at least lol).

Ive had people just run out of my E with Ghost. The thing is, if it was dodgable with base MS it would be garbage. His ult can also be dodged with mobility spells/Ghost, or just by standing behind your frontline.

BurningDolphins 9 votes

It's hit box is non existent. This thing literally bounced to me from so far away. Enemy fizz was literally luring me from behind tower all game. Watch RedMercy last YouTube video he gets hit by a fizz ult nowhere near him

Dracocrash5 votes

True, they need to fix his visuals.

Also I dont watch youtubers who literally just copy reddit 24x7. He has no original content.

Fızz6 votes

#i want them to fix his w and ult

Sohleks6 votes

I think the expanding hitbox is intended as it grows to encourage those far range fish. However it's very poorly communicated through the in game visuals.

The problem is the fish doesn't really grow to indicate it. It might look funny if it did.

Maybe they should add some kind of ground particles. Water splashes and or shadows that expand in a cone.

Xeruon5 votes

I feel like this entire roster update was made to buff Kha, Kat, Rengo, and LB and to nerf every other Assassin part of the update.

Shaydrox4 votes

It's not even a skillshot anymore, it teleports to people when they're 600 range away, but whatever.

Dracocrash5 votes

600 range is a bit of a stretch :#

Shaydrox2 votes

Ah yes, meant to type 500. It's actually as much as a full flash away, which was around 500 units. Bit tricky to calculate considering champion hitboxes and such, still the hitbox is quite questionable.

YFisfabulousBRUH4 votes

1 teemo is now an official unit of measurement.

TeCoolMage1 votes

1 teemo is exactly 100 units ingame and is the baseline for scaling things so yes, it actually is

YFisfabulousBRUH1 votes

Hey!! THAT ROCKET MISSED ME BY EXACTLY 2 TEEMOS! WHY DID IT HIT ME? [slayer-jinx-wink]

TeCoolMage1 votes

nah man it's miles until it matters

and if jinx hits it doesn't matter because clearly she's somehow scripting

Mãmbã1 votes

Now we can say funny stuffs like: Holy hell that's a mushroom ton of teemos :D

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

They cleaned up the fish attachment radius, so now that fucker will jump to you like 99% of the time. If Riot wants Fizz to have longer range, then sure, but nerf the damage or something to compensate.

Fızz5 votes

respect Fizz Mr THE RlVER KlNG. you and fizz belong to the same specie Fizz TahmKench

Redhood Mon3 votes

Nami let's have family reunion.

Synnx72 votes

The riot favoritism got out of hand

Dracocrash9 votes

Are you kidding? Fizz has received nothing but nerfs before his rework and hes still pretty trash xd.

Blåbæret3 votes

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Are you kidding? Fizz has received nothing but nerfs before his rework and hes still pretty trash xd.

E out of any mistake you make. The most forgiving champ in the entire game.

Fızz8 votes

have u ever played fizz? u think his e is just for escape? u think u can kill someone without e (unlesss he's 5/0)?

Sckullzz2 votes

If you miss the ult and someone walks into the circle, it latches on. The only thing that got changed was the animation of the fish attaching to the enemy champ because it looked weird to have a fish just blink on to you.

As far as dodging, there are other ways to get around that. The best one is side stepping. The harder one is to lead your opponent one way, and then switch directions. That one is harder because you have to know how to lead your opponent into predicting your movement and then make them wrong.

Fızz4 votes

there's a bug i noticed: when u die as fizz but u manage to throw ur ult and miss, if the enemy step on it it won't attach to him.

Sckullzz1 votes

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there's a bug i noticed: when u die as fizz but u manage to throw ur ult and miss, if the enemy step on it it won't attach to him.

It's not a bug, its completely intended... It's like walking on Cait's traps after she dies. They still activate.

Fızz3 votes

but the bug is that the shark doesn't attach to the target, but cait traps still work...

invisiblecat12 votes

Happened in one of my games to a teammate I hope this is a bug, and not mean't to happen

Fızz5 votes

it's not a bug, fizz need to land his ult or he's usless

Dracocrash5 votes

its a "visual" bug. The hitbox changes were intended.

Krèwella1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltKJAv5qqMc

Redmercy skip to 3:15 and then put in in .25 slow mode and you can get a perfect example

SoundChaosDebug1 votes

I out lane a fizz as twisted fate but as soon as he gets his ulti he can literally just wiff it towards my general direction and it will still fly at me like a heat seeking rocket.

Literally every single time the fizz killed me I was wiffed an ulti towards me, it heat locked onto me and he troll poled under my tower to finish me.

I can't even play defensive against him because he just dodges all damage, I haven't seen this level of broken since the old Ninja Tabi had dodge and jax built them to dodge while he's dodging to fuck your mother.

Fızz6 votes

well, fizz is the biggest counter of tf you know? and every champ outlane fizz early

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