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Also does anyone have any idea what to build on him? Triforce? Botrk? essense reaver? IE?
Edit:
Ive had some sucess with IE+runans as first items
EDIT EDIT : it was pure luck, IE doesn't seem like a good rush item.
Skia Asteri10 votes
was great and would be better now unless the changes to his ult mana costs make it too expensive to proc 
often enough.
Dracocrash1 votesThats what I was wondering too
Spaceman5pff2 votesYou can still AA -> W -> AA -> Q -> AA and then start ulting if you need to.
Triforce wasn't only good for sheen on old Kog, it also helped him chase really really well.
ofart4 votesIt also started at 6% level 1. AP Kog and ADC Kog are both pretty mediocre now imo. He should at least have some higher AP ratios.
Cipse6 votesNo, I'm very sure that it was 2%/3%/4%/5%/6% as it is now. Also, apart from the ult, I'm also sure that there are no changes to the AP ratios.
That being said, I don't mind too much that the ult damage mechanics are changed. But I really want to have the stack cooldown reduced, although not below what it was before (6 seconds, I think).
Dracocrash2 votesMy memory is hazy, but i rememebr from maxing W all you got was an increase in range back then..
Auz the Ripper3 votesnah, you got some more damage too. his W got completely reverted except for the mana cost
SergeantScuttler1 votesNo, I'm very sure that it was 2%/3%/4%/5%/6% as it is now. Also, apart from the ult, I'm also sure that there are no changes to the AP ratios.
That being said, I don't mind too much that the ult damage mechanics are changed. But I really want to have the stack cooldown reduced, although not below what it was before (6 seconds, I think).
I'm pretty sure it was only a range increase and was 6% at all ranks.
1374342 votesLooking at the revision history on Kog on the wikia, his W did in fact have damage scaling with level:
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kog%27Maw?oldid=2297086
(that is from September 27, 2015, as you can see at the top under the page name).
2/3/4/5/6%
Saianna4 votesRewerted and nerfed. That's why we love Riot <3
Meanwhile, lee buffs, am I rite?
warpenguin5553 votesYeah it was free. Is it not now?
Dracocrash3 votesno its not. it costs 40 mana.
warpenguin5557 votesWow riot. Cmon. Thanks I haven't got on league yet today
MargaretThatcher2 votes 
, replace boots late game for 
tried many builds. This is the best for now. The tri force is even stronger than before thanks to the extra cdr and atk speed, you can keep W 2/3 of the teamfight.
Edit:if you want a explanation on why and all that stuff ask me. Right now i am busy and i have no time to do that and probably won't remember it unless someone replies to this
Dracocrash1 votesI have yet to try the new triforce.
But why is botrk core? honestly it is quite a shady item and I can only see myself getting it against an enemy team infested with the likes of mundo and sion.
MargaretThatcher1 votesbotrk is core due to the % dmg hp AND the active, which lets kog maw do something useful with his life when he has W on CD without dying. The main reason to pick botrk is that you get hybrid % dmg on each auto with W and runaan, you get some lifesteal,atk speed and the active. That combined with the tri force movespeed and hp makes kog very fast and hard to kill. Many people think botrk is bad,for me is completely underrated,specially at kog maw. The stats are good,but mainly the active makes kog un-diveable as long as he isnt ignored by his whole team. Also the active helps running or chasing mid game other adc's since you can start wrecking them.
Dracocrash1 votesIMO it wont work because building 2 expensive items back to back will put you massively behind.
Maybe Botrk as a 3rd item (swappable with scimtar) would be more appropriate?
MargaretThatcher1 votesKog maw needs atk speed and some self peel which botrk provides. You say botrk is expensive and up, but scimitarra is even more expensive and has less windows where is useful than the botrk.
No Yellow Norco2 votesWhy do people put "title^" as the first thing in their post? Like yeah, I read the title. Obviously.
Dracocrash1 votesI purposely did that just to specifically annoy you.
I have been stalking you for a while now.
No Yellow Norco1 votesEven if stalking me, how would you know that it annoyed me lol?
Dracocrash1 votesUs stalkers have our mysterious ways
ViciousSummoner2 votesOn hit Kog:
Faie1 votesThere is nothing good about on-hit Kog anymore, as his auto attacks are the same as everyone else.
ViciousSummoner1 votesAgainst super tanky line ups on-hit is a bit better than flat damage.
Faie1 votesOn-hit will always be less damage than a crit based build. This is also considering that most on-hit damage is magic damage, which isn't affected by last whisper. On-hit by design can never outdamage a full build crit ADC.
ViciousSummoner1 votesJust depends on the situation. Not saying that you should always play on-hit Kog. Still I'd rather take on-hit shredder over crit vs a tanky/bulky team.
Dracocrash1 votesdat milk build
ViciousSummoner1 votesmilk builds strong bones
Critmaster Garen1 votes
attack speed is still really strong on him. might actually still be worth to go full attack speed/on hit.
Dracocrash3 votesI think onhit will be bad compared to other builds tho..
Auz the Ripper1 votesespecially with how his new ult scales with bonus AD
What Is Smite2 votesIf all fails then you could possibly copy/pasta ezreal's blue build , rush tear and sheen build botrk finish muramana and IBG. Kog is a low mobility champ so you have to either give him enough MS that he can keep-up/kite for a long time or bulky enough so that he doesn't die in about 2 seconds
Dracocrash6 votesBut then it would just be better to play ezreal...?
I don't think tear will work on kog cause he really cant spam spells cause his cd's are high and his ult starts costing wayy to much mana after a few casts. Also he doesn't have the base damage or safety to compensate for getting a tear, unlike ezreal.
It Hertz When IP3 votesNew Tear's 15% mana cost reduction might actually even the cost-benefit ratio here, though.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Darien Juranas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NHAKEhnQ,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-21T16:51:59.308+0000)
New Tear's 15% mana cost reduction might actually even the cost-benefit ratio here, though.
Muramana + essence reaver runaan's seems like a good idea. Have no idea how it will actually work out though.
sir d wreck4 votesAgree completely, with how his new ult works you should never ever be spamming that (unless they are low trying to get away) because it does damage based off missing health. I don't think tear will be good on Kog at all either because the ramped mana cost on his ult goes up insanely, and his other abilities are pretty costly already if you spam them even with a tear.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=NoganksOnlyFarm ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NHAKEhnQ,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-21T16:48:01.007+0000)
But then it would just be better to play ezreal...?
I don't think tear will work on kog cause he really cant spam spells cause his cd's are high and his ult starts costing wayy to much mana after a few casts. Also he doesn't have the base damage or safety to compensate for getting a tear, unlike ezreal.
Kog's old niche has always been crit you from far away while shredding your health REALLY hard REALLY fast.
LordForrest1 votesBefore the rework my standard build on kog was 
. It was surprisingly effective. Though it probably isn't a good idea anymore with the nerfs and the utter destruction of a good attack speed item that wasn't a crit slave coughcough
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NHAKEhnQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-09-21T12:43:17.921+0000)
attack speed is still really strong on him. might actually still be worth to go full attack speed/on hit.
Could always get smite and madred's.
Spaceman5pff1 votesWhy not just go back to the good old build from pre-rework.
Maybe top it off with / 
and an
For reference, old kog went Trinity and Blade, then just kinda build bc it was the best dps multiplier at the time.
I am confident that will be the ideal rush again, but I am not 100% about the rest.
Dracocrash1 votesGA IS FOR PUSSSIEES
5x IE OR AFK!
RavenMagus1 votesWas that before Triforce's rework to be more attackspeed and less crit? IE might need some reevaluation now.
Spaceman5pff1 votesThere is a good chance IE might not be good.
But I am a believer in still being core on him.
Kog never really loved crit before his rework, why should that change now?
He only used to build it bc it happened to be on and then was only bc it was strictly the best damage amp on the market
WarlockLaw1 votesI'm guessing his build is going to return to a more normal adc/crit focused build. IE will definitely be in the build, but I would guess A rush into either or followed by the other. Idk if he'll get more attack speed than that or go into things like 
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Dolasaur1 votesHe has practically no ability AD scaling and is one of the few ADCs with exceptionally strong ability AS scaling. Against a squishier team I could see him getting a second full AD item (particularly if he needs the Scimitar cleanse), but at least historically he's usually gone for more AS instead.
Since so much of his damage is magic damage (usually around 50% of his damage to champs), I'm guessing LW items will be pretty weak buys in most games, particularly because of the change from last season to only affect bonus armor.
WarlockLaw1 votesEver since BotrK was switched to magic damage, Kog has always dealt mostly physical damage, and I'm 90% positive his pre-marksman update build had an IE. I'm positive he will still build it, but he'll like want more attack speed than somebody like Lucian. That said, Lord Dominik's would be for when he's up against several tanks. I still think his core will be BotrK, IE and Runaans, the rest becomes situational.
Dolasaur1 votesSuper late, but.. http://champion.gg/champion/KogMaw/ADC. Right now, out of 100%, his magic damage is 38% and his physical is 50% (for post-rework).
Right before the update, his build path was usually TF -> BotRK, and I think that had started in like mid season 4 or so. I think now that Runaan's has crit on it, it's a much better buy for him than it was a year ago. But we'll have to wait a couple months until he stabilizes, since I'm guessing Riot's going to buff him a little bit.
Pierce The Veal1 votesYou either rushed botrk or triforce. I guess you could now also take smite and get madred's.
Or went AP.
FallenSeruvim1 votesAlso the loss of crit on Triforce is something to factor in, I can see Kog needing some compensation for the revert.