For those of you who don't like playing against Zyra.....

HongChongDong·Feb 1, 2017·2 votes·382 views

Click baity title aside.

She's getting nerfs! Not number changes but her plant AI is currently under changes in PBE.

If the changes on PBE go through her plants will now only attack champions that have been hit by one of her abilities. That means gone are the days of Zyra missing literally every ability, only to have her still chunk you by having 2 or more range plants auto attack you from miles away and proc thunder lords. Does not take affect though if there's nothing to target besides champions. So basically it's a change to the target priority.

10 Comments

jmp231Feb 1, 20172 votes

Thank god holy fuck

GarthBrooksXDFeb 1, 20171 votes

thats cool

SchmidttyGamesFeb 1, 20171 votes

I have sincere doubts that they'll go through in 7.3. In doing so, they will dumpster Zyra in a way similar to Nidalee and make her completely unplayable in any role simply because carries can't stand having to put 2 shots into a free minion. If they do this, Malzahar becomes the automatic go-to, which means he will hit the dumpster next for the same reason.

GarthBrooksXDFeb 1, 20171 votes

malz has real support counters like lulu and soraka. the best counter to zyra is... ap miss fortune...kinda yucky.

SchmidttyGamesFeb 1, 20172 votes

Alistar DrMundo Nasus Morgana Thresh All counter Zyra in the Support Role. And easily because they pulverize her plants and zone her away.

The way this new AI works, her plants just sit there doing nothing until you land a skill. You can't even right click target people in their range to make them do anything. It gives her absolutely nothing to defend herself with against anyone. Her spells aren't easy to land, especially against fast movers.

HongChongDongFeb 1, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=RAMP Schmidtty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZNZFfJIq,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-02-01T18:51:22.640+0000)

All counter Zyra in the Support Role. And easily because they pulverize her plants and zone her away.

The way this new AI works, her plants just sit there doing nothing until you land a skill. You can't even right click target people in their range to make them do anything. It gives her absolutely nothing to defend herself with against anyone. Her spells aren't easy to land, especially against fast movers.

They might do just that. The thing they're trying to fix is zyra spawning 3 ranged plants and chunking an ADC/support with no cost to her safety, HP or mana. If she has to auto then that'd clearly put her in harms way which would be acceptable.

SchmidttyGamesFeb 1, 20172 votes

She can't be in harms way. Zyra has no defense, no health, and pitiful movement speed at every stage of the game. Right now, if she is a step out of place, she dies.

If you take away the only thing she has going for her, rather than simply nerfing the base attack speed (1.0) of her plants or chaining their attack speed to hers (which would be a good thing, since her base AS is like .6), they want to cast her aside and make her useless. I can't agree with that kind of change.

HongChongDongFeb 1, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=RAMP Schmidtty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZNZFfJIq,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-01T19:02:44.946+0000)

She can't be in harms way. Zyra has no defense, no health, and pitiful movement speed at every stage of the game. Right now, if she is a step out of place, she dies.

If you take away the only thing she has going for her, rather than simply nerfing the base attack speed (1.0) of her plants or chaining their attack speed to hers (which would be a good thing, since her base AS is like .6), they want to cast her aside and make her useless. I can't agree with that kind of change.

then they might do that. What I personally feel about the champion is what I said. But, there's more than enough chance the riot will revert the changes, PBE "experiments" can disappear at the drop of a hat afterall. If that happens then she'll be fine and people will just continue playing MF support to counter her.

HongChongDongFeb 1, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=RAMP Schmidtty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZNZFfJIq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-01T18:44:39.360+0000)

I have sincere doubts that they'll go through in 7.3. In doing so, they will dumpster Zyra in a way similar to Nidalee and make her completely unplayable in any role simply because carries can't stand having to put 2 shots into a free minion. If they do this, Malzahar becomes the automatic go-to, which means he will hit the dumpster next for the same reason.

The issue that people have is that it's free damage. It's consistent, easy to use free damage. If the plants couldn't Proc thunderlords then I imagine it wouldn't be an issue but due to the range on them as well as the targeting no matter what anyone does they'll likely take several auto's and a thunderlords proc trying to clear 2-3 of those plants which chunks them hard for no cost to the zyra.

SchmidttyGamesFeb 1, 20172 votes

Instead of taking her to the dumpster and making her unplayable, all they really have to do is lower the plants attack speed from 1.0 to .75. Problem solved.

Instead, people who hate her want to see her burn, and this new AI change is nothing but an Aatrox trip to the gutter.