Well I can confidently say this now

Kaisa is Hot·Dec 28, 2016·3 votes·824 views

My bot lane has been the cause of 80% of my loses in the past 4 days. When the fk is this 5 man gangbang bot meta gonna end? It's always because of fking LC$. Riot didn't want lane swap meta so they introduced this toxic as hell meta where whoever has the more cancer team comp can dive bot 5 man and win the game, because your bot lane is clueless and doesn't ward so they never see them coming, but the mid laner does and he pings bot to back off but nope, the turret should save us right? WRONG. If you see 4 people coming bot better to just run as far as you can please. You will make it easier for everyone else to carry.

Update: just lost ANOTHER game, the feeder this game? Mid lane veigar feeding mid lane ashe. I did roam, i tp'd etc. Nope ashe had like 3 kills within 5 mins, this is getting to be old. Am I cursed to get back team mates or what? you don't expect me to roam at level 2.

19 Comments

SGT Dingle BerryDec 28, 20163 votes

Sounds like you need to roam and assist more.

Kaisa is HotDec 28, 20162 votes

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Sounds like you need to roam and assist more.

You know it's funny cause whenever I play top I say these exact words, bot ward deep in second bush please, I got TP They never do it. I'm really trying man, I really am. I just can't seem to carry 75% of the time. Maybe I should just go back to Kassadin mid... That got me out of Bronze with a 90% winrate, but I've been stuck between S4 and 3 playing top. Maybe it's just not for me.

CochoDec 28, 20161 votes

I play kat, when I go top and I know I can't just shit on the enemy top laner completely, I just take tp and save it for bot.

I'm sure kassadin could clean up well like Kat. I don't know who else you play. Sometimes I take the summoner spell cooldown in my masteries and take ionia boots because I know thats my win condition with some matchups vs top in comparison to the matchups bottom lane.

Just tp to a minion or something or a ward even remotely nearby, you'd be surprised that people don't care about your TP lol

Its not to say that some games are just auto-lossed because of botlane, but you can do whatever you can to stop it lol

Kaisa is HotDec 28, 20161 votes

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I play kat, when I go top and I know I can't just shit on the enemy top laner completely, I just take tp and save it for bot.

I'm sure kassadin could clean up well like Kat. I don't know who else you play. Sometimes I take the summoner spell cooldown in my masteries and take ionia boots because I know thats my win condition with some matchups vs top in comparison to the matchups bottom lane.

Just tp to a minion or something or a ward even remotely nearby, you'd be surprised that people don't care about your TP lol

Its not to say that some games are just auto-lossed because of botlane, but you can do whatever you can to stop it lol

Right now my top played champs are Akali, Kassadin and Irelia, like I say when I take tp on irelia no one ever wards so it ends up being a tp back to lane summoner instead of TP to help bot or roam summoner.

CochoDec 28, 20161 votes

theres still minions, they dont even have to ward half the time

vOmvbrawfUDec 28, 20161 votes

Nah, it's your fault for not walking down top lane in time to countergank the enemy Leblanc mid/Hec jg. You're obviously just bad and blaming your teammates. - said the business major

Kaisa is HotDec 28, 20161 votes

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Nah, it's your fault for not walking down top lane in time to countergank the enemy Leblanc mid/Hec jg. You're obviously just bad and blaming your teammates. - said the business major

? Leblanc mid? Where you get that from. Lol... I could roam down mid lane and let my top laner take turret, but that's not very worth if you ask me cause then he can roam all he wants.

vOmvbrawfUDec 28, 20161 votes

Your inability to pick up on sarcasm disappoints me lol.

specter424Dec 28, 20162 votes

or they are 0/5 before you even get an opportunity to roam i.e 5 minutes in

Kaisa is HotDec 28, 20161 votes

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or they are 0/5 before you even get an opportunity to roam i.e 5 minutes in

Thank god others understand.

TormentulaDec 28, 20161 votes

This seems more like a QQ my teams suck thread than an actual gameplay thread.

But yea, the win bot lane win game meta is really restrictive right now.

Kaisa is HotDec 28, 20161 votes

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This seems more like a QQ my teams suck thread than an actual gameplay thread.

But yea, the win bot lane win game meta is really restrictive right now.

No it's really not a QQ thread, sorry if it seems like it. I'm just tired of this god damn meta. I don't blame my bot lane, but they should at least have a clue when they've already been dove 5 man to ward a bit. And that's not all, when mid lane roams, the mid laner never pushes.

NoPaxtDec 28, 20161 votes

Play bottom lane and fix your problem...

VoraciousXDec 28, 20161 votes

Bot lane isn't fun, and you have to rely on another person. I have more trust issues with that than trusting my bot lane to hope for a win. I'd rather play item 3107 item 3504 item 3222 item 3190 Karma top lane and just support from there so I don't have to lane with them. But yeah, you have to say "drop a ward" like 15 times before someone finally does it. So trying to roam to them is usually a lost cause from top lane.

Sona PingDec 28, 20161 votes

Riot didn't introduce anything; there is nothing stopping players from deciding to rotate and fight where they can gain an advatage.

TormentulaDec 28, 20161 votes

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Riot didn't introduce anything; there is nothing stopping players from deciding to rotate and fight where they can gain an advatage.

By removing the obvious advantage and increasing tower health maybe?

Sona PingDec 28, 20161 votes

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By removing the obvious advantage and increasing tower health maybe?

They can't really remove the advantage of a 3v1 or a 4v2 fight and increasing tower health doesn't change that. OP's complaints have been regarding the enemy coordinating advantageous fights and getting kills from it or just getting kills in general; you can't just decide to "stop" that nor is it something Riot decided to make players do. It's just how the game works, and how other games work for that matter.

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My bot lane has been the cause of 80% of my loses in the past 4 days. When the fk is this 5 man gangbang bot meta gonna end? It's always because of fking LC$. Riot didn't want lane swap meta so they introduced this toxic as hell meta where whoever has the more cancer team comp can dive bot 5 man and win the game, because your bot lane is clueless and doesn't ward so they never see them coming, but the mid laner does and he pings bot to back off but nope, the turret should save us right? WRONG. If you see 4 people coming bot better to just run as far as you can please. You will make it easier for everyone else to carry.

Update: just lost ANOTHER game, the feeder this game? Mid lane veigar feeding mid lane ashe. I did roam, i tp'd etc. Nope ashe had like 3 kills within 5 mins, this is getting to be old. Am I cursed to get back team mates or what? you don't expect me to roam at level 2.

Kaisa is HotDec 28, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZNAjtv1E,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-12-28T02:38:49.770+0000)

Riot didn't introduce anything; there is nothing stopping players from deciding to rotate and fight where they can gain an advatage.

Removing defenses on bot tower and making it easy to kill, while introducing a 400G first tower bonus isn't introducing anything?

Sona PingDec 28, 20161 votes

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Removing defenses on bot tower and making it easy to kill, while introducing a 400G first tower bonus isn't introducing anything?

My post was made in the specific context of yours. Riot did not introduce players fighting with number advantage or anything of the sort. Players decide themselves to roam and rotate to pick fights that are to their advantage and the easiest and most obvious advantage is the numerical one. Picking 3v1s or 4v2s or whatever is not even anything new and certainly not losing teammates.

For example: Recently, my top laner roamed and picked a fight with their jungler on my team's mid and he ignored my warnings and died and fed. That's not anything Riot introduced.