Do not buff lux

Shinji lkari·Mar 21, 2017·129 votes·5,219 views

It is unfair to every other mid mage on the summoner's rift. Lux is already better than most mid laners, now you're making her a disadvantage to not have on your team.

Is this a joke? I still won't buy that stupid elementalist skin

130 Comments

MagikarpIsBossMar 21, 201724 votes

Lux is not better than most midlaners unless they are actually retarded. She is not that strong.

Leo1024Mar 21, 201710 votes

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Lux is not better than most midlaners unless they are actually retarded. She is not that strong.

you must not play many mid mages

MagikarpIsBossMar 21, 201712 votes

item 1057 She wont do anything. Lux is such an easy champion to beat and completely dumpster.

Leo1024Mar 21, 201712 votes

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She wont do anything. Lux is such an easy champion to beat and completely dumpster.

you're dumb if you think a negatron means instawin a lane

Coconut WaterMar 21, 20178 votes

you're dumb if you think winning lane is the only requirement to dumpster a champion. If your build has a RoA and a Negatron, chances are Lux wont be able to one combo you in the mid and lategame, unless she is extremely fed in which case you deserve to lose anyway. If you can remove her 1 combo kill pressure, you're essentially making her practically worthless while she waits for her cds and pick opportunity. Lux is pretty good in lane, but so is MF support. Being good in lane does not mean being a good champ.

Leo1024Mar 21, 20173 votes

Mages That Build Roa: Ryze Zilean Lissandra Kassadin

Mages That Don't Build Roa: Ahri Anivia Annie AurelionSol Azir Ekko Heimerdinger Kassadin Kennen Leblanc Malzahar (forced to support now) Orianna Syndra Taliyah TwistedFate Veigar Velkoz Viktor Vladimir Xerath Zyra (also forced to support)

Yasuo : Lux? item 3029

DaNinadMar 22, 20178 votes

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Mages That Build Roa:

Mages That Don't Build Roa: (forced to support now) (also forced to support)

: Lux?

i build roa as yasuo, those e's really hurt lux

Coconut WaterMar 22, 20173 votes

true. Ahri, Annie, Kennen, Ekko, and Vlad don't build RoA,they build protobelt an item that grants similar stats and the ability to dodge her binding. They also have abilities that counter burst damage and/or getting picked. Aurelion bulds the GLP, Rylais, and Liandry's, which also gives enough in stats to avoid being oneshot.

If Xerath, Vel'koz, or Azir are playing in range to be at risk of getting Lux combo, they aren't playing correctly as they are long range mages that should be played at a range far enough to easily dodge Lux's binding. They also all build zhonyas with azir and xerath building rylais and maybe liandrys.

Close range mages like ori, syndra, vik, and veigar will typically have a zhonyas in mid game and will def should have both a zhonyas and GA in late game, making it impossible for Lux to combo them. Yasuo should really only be played top, and vs a burst ap mid any AD champ mid would be stupid to not by a hexdrinker or rush a nights vow early.

Malz and Zyra were forced into support because of the nerfs they received for having overloaded kits that dealt too much damage for being as safe as they were, both need a rework, Malz especially so, and should be excluded from midlane balance discussions.

In short, Lux is an early game noob stomper that punishes players poor positioning and poor itemization. Vs stronger players Lux is a bottom tier midlaner that only manages to throw out scrap damage to the frontliners and occasionally get a pick against single targets. If Lux tries to get a pick against a carry and a defensive support such as lulu or janna, she will prob fail to kill and might end up dead.

NineTailedMysticMar 22, 20172 votes

lul Protobelt Ahri.

Coconut WaterMar 22, 20172 votes

lul played frequently in high elo across all regions and in pro play.

GULAG 4 UMar 22, 20177 votes

Kassadin builds roa. Annie does too. Pretty sure Anika too.

ExcusemeFellowsMar 22, 20179 votes

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Kassadin builds roa. Annie does too. Pretty sure Anika too.

Who the fuck is Anika?

GULAG 4 UMar 22, 20175 votes

Autocorrect's version of Anivia.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 22, 20172 votes

Brands don't really build RoA anymore tbh.

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 21, 201713 votes

why are u downvoted ?? Lux is f*cking garbage against any decent mid laner unless u play a melee

TakazakiMar 22, 20173 votes

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why are u downvoted ?? Lux is f*cking garbage against any decent mid laner unless u play a melee

Fizz Katarina Talon Zed Yasuo Akali

all mid laners

wiffing 1 Q against any of these guys will either lose you a trade or lose you a life

AirKingNeoMar 22, 201718 votes

It is unfair to every other mid mage on the summoner's rift. Lux is already better than most mid laners, now you're making her a disadvantage to not have on your team.

Every other mage massively outclasses Lux. No wonder she sits at a 46% winrate.

h5LYF41LamMar 22, 20176 votes

also lux is one of the few mages with such high cooldowns on her Q-W-E. Syndra Cassiopeia Velkoz all have a skill they can waste on the spellshield of edge of night. Lux doesnt have shit,you can go 3/0 in lane against a zed or a talon and still die after he reaches 6 because there is nothing you can do. Intead of picking lux being high risk high reward its high risk no reward because the champion is outclassed by 70% of the midlane champion pool and gets completely anihilated by any assasin.

ClementineMar 21, 201714 votes

Lux is a worse Xerath, so maybe this isn't bad.

AimléssMar 22, 20174 votes

Lol are we really stating that Xerath, of all mid laners is flat out better than any mid laner? Sure, he is better in certain aspects, and is even with some mid laners, but flat out better... XERATH??? Lmao no.

ClementineMar 22, 201711 votes

Xerath fullfils being an artillery mage and a burst mage way better than Lux. Mana sustain passive, poke, range, safety, etc.

AimléssMar 22, 20173 votes

However, a Lux that is kind of behind can still one shot squishies. A Xerath when behind can barely one shot a cannon minion lol. In terms of poking and range, Xerath has Lux beat, but she certainly beats him in damage. And now CD's apparently. That's why I said he is better in certain aspects, but he is not flat out better than her. No way man.

RatbertMar 22, 20173 votes

If xerath can hit his ult and w sweetspot I'm 100% sure he out damages lux rotation for rotation.

xeviMar 22, 20173 votes

Yea, but that's so much harder to pull off compared to Lux's q-e-r

RatbertMar 22, 20175 votes

So? The person said that xerath would deal less in a "one shot" (one combo) than lux which is definitely not true. A lux that's behind would probably struggle more by virtue of having only 3 damaging spells. Heck, lux can't even clear casters unless fed.

Also it's really not, cause both of them really rely on their cc to land a chain. As long as xerath hits one ult bolt, he'll probably do just as much if not more than lux.

SoyUnPrededorMar 22, 20171 votes

Xerath cannot out put all of his damage during his CC, Lux can. Xerath needs to land potentially 8 skillshots to land his combo, Lux needs to hit a Q, and she's golden.

Additionally Xerath's ult has 3/4/5 shots and Arcane Barrage has a 0.8 second cooldown between casts, not affected by Cooldown Reduction. That means it takes 2.1/2.9/3.7 seconds (after factoring in the delay between casting it and when you can cast the first barrage) of him rooting himself in place for him to even get all of his shots off, not to mention the additional travel time of the projectiles. Add this to him needing to charge Q for at least 1.5-3 seconds to get the max range on it (which also slows him btw) and you'll realize his .5-2 second stun even without any tenacity is barely enough time to charge a Q the minimum it needs for full effectiveness, and does not give any time for his W, or the almost 4 seconds it would take with perfect reaction time to use his ult.

Unless you somehow chain CC the target for 6+ seconds Xerath will not land a full combo. If you get hit by 1 Q, if Lux has mana you're eating her full combo.

EDIT: Lux has 4 damaging spells as well, you can't forget her passive. If she Q -> auto -> E -> ult -> autos she procs her passive 3 times which gives up to 570 + .6AP

The full combo at max level is 250 + .7AP + 240 + .6AP + 500 + .75aP + 570 + .6AP [Note, in such a rotation, if she has less than 500 AP (say a support Lux or something) her passive will hit harder than her ult] plus a 480 + 1.2 AP shield that can potentially be applied not just to herself but her whole team, thus its potential value is actually 2400 + 6.0 AP which by itself is ridiculous.

Still, just damage comparison, her total damage is 1560 + 2.65AP and she negates 480 + 1.2 of her AP of the damage she would receive.

Xerath's combo is 240 + .75 AP + 180 + .6AP + 200 + .45AP + 1300 + 2.15AP (260 + .43) a potential of five times This totals 620 + 1.8AP + up to 1300 + 2.15AP. If he lands literally everything, all 8 skill shots over more than 6 seconds, he'll do 1920 + 3.95

Assuming for sake of argument that they have the same AP, how about 800 since its assuming level 18? If they were dueling, Lux's shield would take his damage down to 1440 + 2.75(800) or 3,640 while she would deal 1560 + 2.65(800) or 3680.

They would need 1200 AP for Xerath to break even, despite his combo taking a full three times as long.

AazzlanoMar 22, 20171 votes

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EDIT: Lux has 4 damaging spells as well, you can't forget her passive. If she Q -> auto -> E -> ult -> autos she procs her passive 3 times which gives up to 570 + .6AP

What good luck EVER doing that. You'd have to throw the Q, hit confirm, throw E, auto, detonate E, then fire the ult after E detonates, then auto again. Seriously. Good luck EVER doing that (and landing everything). Not just in a combo, not in 1 game, like ever doing it.

Celeste BenalMar 22, 20173 votes

I must have incredible luck. Though the final AA is rarely needed.

Votable JesterMar 22, 20172 votes

Well what you really do is Q -> E (don't pop) -> ult -> auto -> auto and pop E while auto is in the air.

Troll for TrumpMar 22, 201711 votes

Yeah but his combo overall is more delayed than Lux.

So it's harder to land, but more rewarding.

Votable JesterMar 22, 20175 votes

He also exposes himself to flanking assassins as he ults (it directly gives vision of him, roots him, and makes the player look away from him).

Still, Lux does provide that aoe shield. That's nearly her only advantage over Xerath.

The only time I play Lux over Xerath is when I'm against Annie because I reeeally hate having my only hard cc get blocked by Tibbers.

PredatoratorMar 22, 20172 votes

except that he got high manacosts to offset that high sustain, and he got to leave his safety to aa. lux simply can keep spamming spells, especially since her synergy with athene's. also lux ult is far more reliable than xerath's. also the only safety that xerath got comes from his range and positioning, lux got a root, and her e is a far better zoning tool than xerath's W.

ModAcademy KaynMar 21, 201712 votes

I see emotions are running strong. Any facts you wanna share instead?

normie sIayerMar 22, 20177 votes

with max cdr and a level 3 ult if she kills someone with it (this is assuming 30ish minute lux with atleast item 3165 item 3285 item 3158 item 3157 ) she gets an 11 second cooldown

ModAcademy KaynMar 22, 20174 votes

Congrats, you gave me an optimal build for Lux if the buff goes through. Now explain to me why she doesn't need a buff.

An Undead bratMar 22, 20174 votes

Because it's not fair for her to be able to every 11 do what other burst mages can do only every minute? And on double their range?

ModAcademy KaynMar 22, 20171 votes

Emotions and still no facts. You're giving me why YOU think she shouldn't be buffed, not any statistical proof of why she doesn't need a buff.

An Undead bratMar 22, 20171 votes

No, what I'm talking abiut is a fucking outclass - why to play Ahri Annie Lissandra Malzahar Morgana Orianna Syndra Veigar Velkoz Ziggs Zyra if Lux does their job with better range on 1/4 their CD?

P1erreDelectoMar 22, 20173 votes

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No, what I'm talking abiut is a fucking outclass - why to play if Lux does their job with better range on 1/4 their CD?

Ahri isn't an assassin's she's a kite mage and her range is nearly the same (unless you've fed a Lux to the point where she can 1-shot with ult alone). Annie is a much safer pick that has a point-and-click burst combo with a much better defensive and sustained damage after the combo. Lissandra has 4 cc spells, more defensives, and a blink. She isn't really a burst mage anyway, more of a poke->pick mage. Malz isn't a burst mage or even a mid anymore. His ability to kill people is based on his point-and-click suppression and sustained damage from e-w. He also has an insane passive shield making him much safer. Morg has higher range and a spell shield, along with an aoe cc ult. Ori has better defensives, utility, poke, and her burst is team-wide. Syndra has MUCH more burst and poke, and her qwe has more range. Veigar has higher burst, more late scaling, and an aoe stun. Vel'koz has more poke and his damage is team wide. Again, not really a burst mage anyway. Ziggs isn't a burst mage, and has insane wave clear/ zone control / the ability to one-shot turrets. Zyra has more sustained damage, cc, and again it's team-wide. All these champions have their own strengths and most are just overall more effective.

An Undead bratMar 23, 20171 votes

So many wannabe truths and simple bullshits in this comment I'm not even that concerned to adress them... But keep your delusion.

P1erreDelectoApr 5, 20171 votes

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So many wannabe truths and simple bullshits in this comment I'm not even that concerned to adress them... But keep your delusion.

I don't think I'm being delusional, but feel free to give me at least one or two "wannabe truths" or "simple bullshits" I'd like to know why you think that.

P1erreDelectoMar 22, 20171 votes

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with max cdr and a level 3 ult if she kills someone with it (this is assuming 30ish minute lux with atleast ) she gets an 11 second cooldown

Why is the Lux building lucidity boots? Why is her third item Zhonya's? Not sure how she'll actually kill someone to get the ult refund if she's only built for cdr...

normie sIayerMar 23, 20171 votes

because cdr boots give cdr and shes a mage? because they have burst ad threats? i could replace it with abbysal if you want..

P1erreDelectoApr 5, 20171 votes

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because cdr boots give cdr and shes a mage? because they have burst ad threats? i could replace it with abbysal if you want..

Mages don't buy cdr boots. Mages buy sorc. pen boots because it's one of the only sources of mpen and a really effective one at that. In fact, Sorcerer Shoes are taken 10 times more on mid lane Lux than Ionian Boots of Lucidity and have a higher winrate. Not every game will have a burst ad threat (only really Talon/Zed fit here) and again she's losing out on kill potential by doing so. Lux's don't build abyssal 3rd either, because it's honestly just bad on a mage that needs to 100-0 with her combo (in fact, it has a 43% winrate in general on the champion). Also, most games are already decided by the point she would reach such a low cooldown and it's very possible she wouldn't reach level 16 by that point either. Essentially, while the buff looks awesome in some ways, practically this isn't much at all.

FairyfleurMar 22, 201710 votes

In what way is she better than most midlaners?

Sona PingMar 22, 20175 votes

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It is unfair to every other mid mage on the summoner's rift. Lux is already better than most mid laners, now you're making her a disadvantage to not have on your team.

Is this a joke? I still won't buy that stupid elementalist skin

" Lux is already better than most mid laners,"

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