why dodging penalties?

ItsCalledALance··1 votes·924 views

Sometimes I just dont want to play with people being toxic before the game even starts. Sometimes I dont want to play 3rd wheel to the report session that is always games with duo partners.

why do I get punished for not wanting that? =(

11 Comments

Mysticman893 votes

Because 9 other people now need to wait to play a game because of you.

The first punishment is relatively light compared to subsequent ones though just for those occasional issues where dodging is in your best interests.

ItsCalledALance1 votes

bad reason. there are (apparently) 40 million people playing this game. 70% of which are in my division. They can be toxic in another game in seconds.

67chrome1 votes

9 other people is the opposite of bad reasoning.

When considering there's 10 people in each game rather than 1: every time you feel like dodging means you're going to have roughly 9 times as many games dodged if everyone else dodges the same amount on a whim.

Also: considering there's 10 people per game: waiting until the last second in blind pick and dodging means you can waste a collective 18 minutes of other people's time. Waiting until the last second to dodge in ranked (which can take exactly 8 minutes with 16 30 second intervals for each pick and ban), means you're wasting up to a collective 72 minutes of other people's time, more often than not it's closer to 45 minutes: which is still longer than an average game.

there are (apparently) 40 million people playing this game.

And again: you're not the only person in 40 million capable of dodging. All 40 million of those people can dodge, and if the game is in a state where you feel dodging 1/20 games is appropriate: it's quite likely 40 million other people will feel dodging 1/20 games is appropriate.

In which case 95%^10 = ~60%, or only 3/5 games actually make it past the pick phase and start. Another way of saying that is queue times and the pick/ban phase is effectivly 40% longer because of a 1/20 chance every player will dodge.

Sona Ping3 votes

It's not a "punishment"; it's there to be a disincentive to excessive dodging. People complain that queues take too long now with all of the dodges, imagine how long it would take to get a game if it wasn't there and there was literally no reason not to dodge.

GenghisEmo2 votes

It is a punishment. Seen ppl dodge to avoid toxic players, and get 20min queue delay.

But usually i only see 6min. But not sure if inteded or not. Even nice ppl that dont afk or rarely dodge get the 20min here and there.

Sona Ping1 votes

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It is a punishment. Seen ppl dodge to avoid toxic players, and get 20min queue delay.

But usually i only see 6min. But not sure if inteded or not. Even nice ppl that dont afk or rarely dodge get the 20min here and there.

Because you only dodged once. Don't down-vote and and try to correct people when you don't even know the first thing about what you are talking about yourself.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Who downvotes? XD

But, seriously, it is a punishment. Or at least it trips up as one. 20min wait period before queue (thank goodness friends and fam dodnt have to wait after 5 games like a nornal leaver punishment).

And oddly enough, exit client, get back after a bit, back to normal. So it seems it acts like one, while not.

Barely happens, but ive played long enough to see it few times. It is out of ordinary for sure.

ItsCalledALance1 votes

its a punishment. Riot is fucking stupid for forcing people to play with shit people or punishing them for wanting to leave.

BRBGTGBOWFLEX3 votes

Because otherwise I would dodge every game until I got the exact comp that I wanted. I would dodge over anything I considered weak or inferior. And others might do the same. But if I was given free dodge power, you could expect to wait 30ish minutes or more until I accepted a game.

Dodging penalties in terms of LP and time limit my ability to do this. Now I can only dodge at certain times. I can dodge for free when

  1. I have 87-99 LP.
  2. I have 0LP.
  3. I am in placements.

During these times I will dodge anything unfavorable because there is either no penalty or because the penalty of the dodge is outweighed by my gained advantage (i.e. at 99 LP it would only take me 1 win to go to my series, regardless of if I dodge a game).

I will dodge at cost against extremely toxic teams in pregame or against obvious trolls. I believe Riot has audited players who have unusual amounts of dodges against them in the past.

ItsCalledALance1 votes

Charge IP for dodges. make it equal to that of a couple games. save it, dodge shitstorms when in promos. or whatever.

BRBGTGBOWFLEX1 votes

Don't care about IP, would dodge to negative 3 million. What do you do about people with 6000000 IP or people with 0 who don't care?

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