...and you manage to LOSE? It's your fault. Honestly, it is. We're past the point where people can get away with shit like "I built Frozen Heart for 2.8k gold for a 15% AA speed slow :D". We're at a point where we can just outright reduce damage output by 12% on less gold. If you're buying solo laner items instead of legit support items, do realize you don't know how to itemize.
Shadow Gilgamesh3 votesBecause 20% CDR and 400 mana does nothing to help supports support better, right?
chipndip12 votesBecause buying something that hardly does anything noticeable to help your team besides a tiny AA debuff doesn't do jack shit for anyone. Compare that to the direct gold value of actual support item actives and passives and come again.
Shadow Gilgamesh6 votesBoi, between the 20% CDR from frozen heart and 10% from the gold gen item tank supports like 
, 
, and 
can be constant threats of being locked down forever with only 2 items, and the 400 mana means they can toss out their engages a lot more than if they pick up something like 
. Just because their item isn't giving YOU stats, doesn't mean it's not helping your team.
chipndip12 votesWhat you're saying is the equivalent of saying "Sure, Janna, since it gives you a ton of cdr, build Morello first item. The cdr justifies not building something that gives a noticeable power spike to both you and your team's overall strength like Censor and Redemption. Build Morello instead".
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but some ideas are simply bad ideas. Stop encouraging bad ideas.
Shadow Gilgamesh1 votesExcept it's not the equivalent of saying that. Janna is a pure utility and primarily reactionary support that doesn't benefit all that much from the ability to throw out spells rapid fire, and therefore doesn't need the larger mana pool, and on her getting the active items give her more utility options in addition to the excellent ones in her kit, so yeah, a Janna probably be better off grabing censor and redemption 99% of the time.
A BETTER comparison would be someone playing support 
or 
picking up 
, since both support options and other items benefit them in different ways much like support and traditional tank items do for tank supps. and guess what: both of which do pick up Morello, Lux very often, Brand only sometimes.
chipndip11 votesA tank support is just as much utility as any other support. Only difference is that tank supports want defenses and utility on a cheap budget. Enchanters want heal/shield power and ap on a cheap budget.
The point I'M making is that if you honestly need to top off your build and you want something like FH, go for it, but there's WAY more pertinent items to buy at lower price points for reasonable spikes at reasonable times rather than delaying your build and effectiveness by buying the wrong items at the wrong time stamps. But definitely never build Randuin's.
khorney1 votestbh ardent and moro are the same niether has item actives sure i do build ardent for the ap cdr the fact it makes ur shield stronger more so then the ap that would come from moro
Big Lincoln2 votesare you implying that supports can do something wrong?
chipndip11 votesYes, and I'm upset someone downvoted you for asking, so I bumped you back up.
Big Lincoln3 votessupports can't do anything wrong tho the boards told me so
chipndip11 votesTold me, too...with two downvotes.
Terozu2 votes"We're at a point where we can just outright reduce damage output by 12%" ? What are you talking about? Frozen heart is a legitimate item for some supports, particularly tanks, such as Naut, Leona, Amumu, Rakan, etc. In fact, its better to be built by the support who won't lose damage from it.
chipndip11 votes"We're at a point where we can just outright reduce damage output by 12%" ? What are you talking about? Frozen heart is a legitimate item for some supports, particularly tanks, such as Naut, Leona, Amumu, Rakan, etc.
2.3k gold
400 HP
40 - 60 armor
Removes 12% damage taken on partner and applies it to you on your defenses. Gives you proxy life steal by 12% of your partner's damage onto champions.
vs.
2.7k gold
No HP
90 armor (+30 - 50 armor in comparison)
Reduces AS by 15%
On what planet would you build that overpriced junk over KV, Face of the Mountain, Locket, or Zeke's?
Terozu1 votesKV deals the damage to you as true damage, not after defenses. And you would build it when facing a champ who relies heavily on attack speed, such as vayne, Xayah, etc.
rtbf2216514121 votes
2.3k gold
400 HP
40 - 60 armor
Removes 12% damage taken on partner and applies it to you on your defenses. Gives you proxy life steal by 12% of your partner's damage onto champions.
vs.
2.7k gold
No HP
90 armor (+30 - 50 armor in comparison)
Reduces AS by 15%
On what planet would you build that overpriced junk over KV, Face of the Mountain, Locket, or Zeke's?
As someone else said:
His Passive Shield (Mana based) + 20% CDR + Armor.
Yeah, definitely a bad idea. Especially vs Vayne with that reduced attack speed. Definitely doesn't slow down HP % damage.
Kappa
chipndip11 votesYes, it is in comparison to other tank support items, given what you could have instead. A shield for an entire team, a large amount of bonus damage for sticking onto your target, or damage transferring from your squishier carries onto yourself.
Honestly, if you're REALLY asking me, the real issue with FH is the price tag. It's just way too expensive for not enough benefit as a support. It delays your build but doesn't get you nearly as much as other items would for the cost given your role.
AlienPrimate1 votesIf the enemy team is 
frozen heart is the best possible buy anyone can make. Knight's vow reduces damage on 1 person by 12%. Frozen heart reduces damage against your entire team by probably around 13%.
chipndip11 votesMaster Yi is immune to attack speed slows
Also, if damage reduction's your concern, buy Locket/FotM.
rtbf2216514121 votesMaster Yi is immune to attack speed slows
"With Ult"
chipndip11 votesWhat Master Yi fights without ult?
What Master Yi fights a 1v2 without ult?
rtbf2216514121 votesWhat Master Yi fights without ult?
What Master Yi fights a 1v2 without ult?
One that has to team fight without ult?
WOW MUCH AMAZE NEW INFO. SUCH WOW.
chipndip11 votesSo a bad Yi or a caught out Yi?
It's like saying "...when Malz's ult is down". Malz isn't trying to team fight without ult. One that does is a bad Malz or one that doesn't need it to kill you, most likely due to a numbers advantage.
rtbf2216514121 votesSo a bad Yi or a caught out Yi?
It's like saying "...when Malz's ult is down". Malz isn't trying to team fight without ult. One that does is a bad Malz or one that doesn't need it to kill you, most likely due to a numbers advantage.
Dude, if you had to wait for your ult every single teamfight, Yi wouldn't even be viable anymore.
chipndip11 votesYou can be competitively viable while having a good deal of your kit's power tied to your ult. Look at the likes of Syndra and Malzahar.
However, Yi's not competitively viable right now, anyway.
rtbf2216514121 votesYou can be competitively viable while having a good deal of your kit's power tied to your ult. Look at the likes of Syndra and Malzahar.
However, Yi's not competitively viable right now, anyway.
Syndra and Malz are more than their ult, otherwise I wouldn't be touching those two.
chipndip11 votesYou wouldn't be looking for a fight as Syndra or Malz in the mid or late game without ult. Regardless of how much better designed they are than Yi, that fact doesn't change.
rtbf2216514121 votesYou wouldn't be looking for a fight as Syndra or Malz in the mid or late game without ult. Regardless of how much better designed they are than Yi, that fact doesn't change.
I can Q and E easily without R. kthx.
Dweeebles1 votesI build sup items sometimes but honestly its boring. Especially if I am playing Rakan or something, much more fun to do damage.
chipndip11 votes
(filler) (boots)
You get like 200 ap off of the first few items alone AND good team helping effects. And if you build Censor first, you can hold off building tier 2 boots and Watchers until after your second item, which will be completed by like 20 - 25 minutes in most games that aren't stomps. What more do you need?
Killed Inaction1 votes
or 
or 
That's my standard build. Has me at 60% WR in ranked in my past 22 games as support Lux. Much more fun than "support" items, I get to make big, flashy plays, and I don't like mid lane for some reason.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
chipndip11 votesYour standard build isn't those items and you know it. Like you'd have the time in a match...
If you're gonna build like that...or even play Lux at all if I'm being honest, you should just go mid lane. Like, Lux is just NOT a support champion. Sorry to break it to you.
Killed Inaction1 votesSay what you will, that's my build. Sure, I might not get all the items in the time a match lasts, but nowadays it's rare to get all 6 items with any role.
I play Lux support because I prefer it to Lux mid. If you have a problem with that, that's on you. I have a high win rate on it and I get honored literally every game, so I guess I'm doing something right, considering I almost always have the highest vision score on the team, my shields scale well with AP, I have good CC, and I can burst down enemies for my ADC to finish them off or pick up kills that would've gotten away.
So... yeah, I play Lux support. Sorry to break it to you.
Deraviin1 votesYour standard build isn't those items and you know it. Like you'd have the time in a match...
If you're gonna build like that...or even play Lux at all if I'm being honest, you should just go mid lane. Like, Lux is just NOT a support champion. Sorry to break it to you.
Woah. Lux is very much a support champion. Her q is a double root, her w is a shield that can give each champion hit up to 2 shields if it hits them going out and coming back, her e is an aoe slow and reveals the area it is cast in and her ult reveals all enemies it hits and the area around where it hits. Normally I would go more supporty than this guy but different enemies call for different tactics. If your argument is that her ratios are too high thats an invalid argument there are many support champions who either now or sometime in the past had or have high enough damage ratios to be played in other lanes viably.
I would agree that you should at least finish your sight item and gold item ( or combine them like you can now) and due to the meta of s6 supports are expected to build the same thing like they were in s2 with kages lucky pick, heart of gold, and philosophers stone, but that doesnt mean they have to. And past those two items IF they get them, they should be able to pick their items based on the in game situation just like everyone else.
Mr Vader1 votesLol look at my match history. I build the same items every game. It is boring but it helps my teammates stay alive. So many clutch repemtions, face of the mountain, and knights vow will keep my adc alive
chipndip11 votesAs an aside: That Dynasty Warrior's Zhou Tai? CLEAN with no edits to get the name? I see you.
rtbf2216514121 votesPretty sure Randuins and Frozen Heart counter Vayne.
chipndip11 votesIf you buy a freaking Randuin's as a support in my game I'm legit reporting you. FH gets you a stern talking to.
rtbf2216514121 votesIf you buy a freaking Randuin's as a support in my game I'm legit reporting you. FH gets you a stern talking to.
Darn, stoneborn pact and Randuins definitely do not synergize.
chipndip11 votesLet your top laner buy Randuin's/FH if it's that big of a deal to you, then. You should be buying things within your budget range so you can hit power spikes on time.
rtbf2216514121 votesLet your top laner buy Randuin's/FH if it's that big of a deal to you, then. You should be buying things within your budget range so you can hit power spikes on time.
I wouldn't say Randuin's is the best choice, but it definitely isn't the worst.
chipndip11 votesWhen you step into the territory of buying shit like Infinity Edge on Braum, yeah.
Still a really stupid buy.
rtbf2216514121 votesWhen you step into the territory of buying shit like Infinity Edge on Braum, yeah.
Still a really stupid buy.
Not even close to being the same thing.
chipndip11 votesI'm not saying they're the same thing.
I'm saying buying Randuin's on a support isn't as stupid as buying IE, but that's not the mark of it being a good buy more than it confirming the notion of there's even stupider things out there to buy.
rtbf2216514121 votesI'm not saying they're the same thing.
I'm saying buying Randuin's on a support isn't as stupid as buying IE, but that's not the mark of it being a good buy more than it confirming the notion of there's even stupider things out there to buy.
Braum + Randuins is better than Braum + IE.
What I meant was the comparison was kinda... Lackluster. Sure, it brings out your point but still.
Braum + Randuins makes the active kinda pointless since he has so many slows. It's the passive that matters in this case.
khorney1 votestech all you as a supp are required to build is sightstone and thats it sure i dont understand why people do not get eh goldincome item becuase your only hurting yourself. i myself go mid and run with frost queens due to utility, more gold, more damage from poke via passive, a escape via active, a escape via passive the speed boost, cdr mana, 60 ap which is pretty good by the way
The Fuzzy 0ne1 votesEven though I don't necessarily agree... I can see where you're coming from. Especially with how good most support items have gotten building something like FH isn't the best or most viable thing to get early except in cases where the other team is starting to get fed auto attack heavy carries like yi, Tryn, Jax, etc
ForFoxSakes1 votesEveryone opens 0-5 in lane before 10 mins. FK U SUPPORT!