Just curious as I see them ALL the time in low elo and quite frankly, they dont gank until they are sated most of the time (by that time it's 30 minutes in the game and they are 1. Primed to take it over or 2. Irrelevant) and was wondering how it pans out for higher elo games?
Also, what devourer jungler are used in higher elo most often?
Bladerunner77772 votesIf they don't gank until they're sated then they're bad, nuff said
It's often for devourer junglers to have powerful level 6 ganks (warwick, nocturne), in that scenario they shouldn't really be forcing ganks until then.
edit: oh I can't answer your question
The Bíg Ticket1 votesI am not really high elo but I have played from Gold to low Diamond elo this season and the Devourer junglers you frequently see/saw are: Udyr (also often with Warrior or Cinderhulk), Master Yi, Nocturne (but in higher elo people build Warrior on him), Warwick, Xin Zhao and some time ago also Fizz and Shyvana.
It really depeends on the jungler whether he ganks or farms alot, people should get rid of the thought Devourer forces Yi or Warwick to stay in the jungle and farm, their ganks just lack power and impact of Lee Sin or Reksai, most of the time you won't even blow a flash or other summoner as Yi or Warwick pre 6. Even if Yi goes Warrior or sth else, he still wouldn't gank alot more. Junglers like Udyr and Xin Zhao on the other hand have such strong early ganks that it would be a waste to only sit in the jungle and farm, a lvl 3 Xin Zhao gank with red buff is a guaranteed flash or first blood.
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I am not really high elo but I have played from Gold to low Diamond elo this season and the Devourer junglers you frequently see/saw are: Udyr (also often with Warrior or Cinderhulk), Master Yi, Nocturne (but in higher elo people build Warrior on him), Warwick, Xin Zhao and some time ago also Fizz and Shyvana.
It really depeends on the jungler whether he ganks or farms alot, people should get rid of the thought Devourer forces Yi or Warwick to stay in the jungle and farm, their ganks just lack power and impact of Lee Sin or Reksai, most of the time you won't even blow a flash or other summoner as Yi or Warwick pre 6. Even if Yi goes Warrior or sth else, he still wouldn't gank alot more. Junglers like Udyr and Xin Zhao on the other hand have such strong early ganks that it would be a waste to only sit in the jungle and farm, a lvl 3 Xin Zhao gank with red buff is a guaranteed flash or first blood.
Thanks for the reply.
The thing about low elo is, higher elo players say things like "Yi's ganks are useless pre-6" and low elo players swear by it "I'm not ganking until 6, im useless", when most times, all that is required is a little presence to take pressure off. Blowing a flash or getting a kill is a bonus. Even coming to hold the lane is quite useful.
So a new question, if you consider my above to be a valid statement, would you support disabling devourer until Gold?
The Bíg Ticket1 votesYi's ganks pre 6 are not neccessarily useless...if you are playing Maokai top for example or Morgana mid and land your CC then the Yi with a red buff will atleast blow a flash, he provides high dmg and just needs some cc. So basically instead of him setting the ganks up the laner has to do it, which is the opposite of what Lee sin or Rek Sai do when they gank. It is true that simply showing in a lane will help that one laner but you have to keep in mind that it also tells the enemy jungler (and whole team) where your jungler is and they know they can go aggro bot for example or the enemy Udyr realizes he can do drake since your Yi just showed top to hold your lane. It is a matter of priorities at that point then.
No I wouldn't support that, every champ has his/her own playstyle and the same accounts for every player. It is up to the Devourer jungler and his teammates to both adapt to each other. The team with Master Yi jungle shouldn't expect him to win their lanes for them like a Lee Sin could and at the same team that Master Yi should know he can't just completely ignore everything around him and then, after all his laners died to ganks from the enemy jungler type "gg useless team" in all chat.
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No I wouldn't support that, every champ has his/her own playstyle and the same accounts for every player. It is up to the Devourer jungler and his teammates to both adapt to each other. The team with Master Yi jungle shouldn't expect him to win their lanes for them like a Lee Sin could and at the same team that Master Yi should know he can't just completely ignore everything around him and then, after all his laners died to ganks from the enemy jungler type "gg useless team" in all chat.
This is what happens nearly every game in low elo. This is what disabling certain items until say, Gold, would help fix. There are times the game is fun, but when you get stuck in a game like you describe above and are facing a penalty for simply leaving, it makes the game a chore more than a pleasure.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesWell I haven't played at low elo for a couple years, so obviously I can't really know how the games go there but from what I remember from my days in Bronze it was always an attitude/game knowledge issue. Going devourer is probably a bad idea for a low elo player but I don't think taking away this option from them just because someone is not high enough elo is a good move.
Mistikal1 votesDevour is garbage right now. Can't get sated before the game is over. Early game heavy ganking junglers are all you should be playingg atm. IE: the exact same junglers everyone's always played and can make LC$BIGPLAY$(What is diversity?). Lee Sin, Elise, Rek Sai. Pantheon also isn't a bad choice.
Zair Umbras1 votesI see Devourer jungles in Plat, though I wouldn't consider it 'high elo'. They exist, but unless they're Shyv, they -usually- gank. Every now and then I get the Xin or Udyr that refuses to gank for what ever reason, but those tend to exist, sadly.
BluePolarizer1 votesDevourer junglers are useless in all elos because you can never get sated before the game is over. The only reason I take it on Yi is because it is cheaper than Warrior (why a late game item is cheaper than an early game item, I will never know) and I can start scaling faster.
Duke Anax1 votesThose devourer Junglers are just doing it wrong. When I play Aatrox I always gank at three and six and try to do dragon as soon as I have my Devourer.
If you do a lot of ganks, dragons and crabs you can get sated far earlier than if you just farm jungle.
But Aatrox has a nice gauge build in: Gank when the revive is up, farm when it is not, makes it easier to find a good balance.