Tanks should get a "size" stat that increases their model size.

ModCaptainMårvelous·Jan 28, 2017·94 votes·3,845 views

Imagine if a handful of tank items had 10-25% "size" on them.

Why you ask? Well...

Many tank skills radiate FROM the tank. (Naut's Riptide. Sejuani's flail. Amumu's crying) Increasing their size buffs how much damage they can do without increasing their raw power.
Tanks want to take hits and be frontline. Increasing size makes it easier to click them as well as absorb skillshots.
Increasing size makes it easier to click ADCs/fighters as well, making tank items less desireable for them.
Size conversely also makes you take more damage. Not a big deal if you have a lot of defensive items. However, if you're 50% bigger with one tank item, it's not nearly as good.

Overall, it would buff tanks who WANT to take hits and make items more desireable for them while nerfing people who could abuse tank items and make things like tank ekko/tank diana less desireable.

92 Comments

reaperteaserJan 29, 201756 votes

ima build rengar tank and be a fat cat, i will call it the garfield build

XeroKimoJan 29, 20173 votes

And then the enemy picks nidalee and the game becomes a 4 v 5

Velzard of KozJan 29, 20174 votes

And all items providing the stats would have to be orange in colour.

A serial feederJan 30, 20172 votes

item 3751 item 3801 item 3742 item 3190 item 3068 item 3155 Full build

S RoxusJan 30, 20172 votes

Rito wheres the lasagna trinket

Big LincolnJan 28, 201719 votes

item 2138

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 28, 20176 votes

Something like this yes. The problem is that it's on a late-game elixir and only purchased incredibly late into the game. If Size was a stat you'd probably move this away from the elixir but this would be a model of what we COULD have.

Big LincolnJan 28, 20177 votes

let the size stack

rtbf221651412Jan 29, 20179 votes

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let the size stack

gg

Rito, fix Cho. He can't fit outside of the base.

LordGeovanniJan 30, 20171 votes

actually it can be bought from mid game no one touches it until late game that is a diffrence.

ØrdealJan 29, 20172 votes

item 2138 item 3053 Full size dong boys

Legacy HydralphaJan 29, 201713 votes

Full. Tank. Teeto.

http://i.imgur.com/cqF2JWM.png?noredirect

There are zero problems with this idea.

Lord GalvatronJan 29, 20172 votes

Where's his tattoo that reads "2 Edgy"?

Legacy HydralphaJan 29, 20173 votes

Edginess is for AD builds with swords, Tank Teeto has none of that, nor will he need it.

Lord GalvatronJan 29, 20174 votes

I was referring to Teemo in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilMIJ1gdPrM

He's almost exactly the same.

Legacy HydralphaJan 29, 20174 votes

Ah yes Killguy McBiceps, the real champion we need. None of this Ruined King or Senna shit. KILLGUY. MCBICEPS.

Lord GalvatronJan 29, 20172 votes

He kills guys, and he has biceps. What more do you need in a new league champion?

RalanrJan 29, 20171 votes

You'll need JOHN CENA!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9egS_0PQ8

Lord GalvatronJan 29, 20174 votes

I don't get it. There's nothing in the YouTube video.

OrangesilkJan 29, 20177 votes

This is great, genius even. Skirmishers like Fiora MasterYi Ekko Riven Would not like getting bigger because it increases their hitboxes and makes wall-hopping more difficult.

This means that we'd find an incentive for these guys to NOT go tanky and fuck everything up.

ChaddyFantomeJan 29, 20176 votes

...this is actually genius. If handled correctly, I approve.

ProfirixJan 29, 20175 votes

Make Cho bigger again

Zane ZephyrJan 29, 20174 votes

Cho is getting bigger on the PBE lol.

ProfirixJan 29, 201715 votes

Biggerer is required.

Meep ManJan 29, 20175 votes

I suggested this before and everyone complained about minion block. Guess the season has changed. Anyways, I 100% agree.

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 29, 201710 votes

Solution: At (x)% size, you ignore minion block. Because if you're big enough to step over towers why the fuck do you care about a 3 foot tall caster minion.

Glory ln DeathJan 29, 20175 votes

Sion YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD DODGE MY ULT?!?!?! NOT WHEN I'M AS WIDE AS THE LANE, COWARD!!!

bbQsauçeJan 28, 20174 votes

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ModCaptainMårvelousJan 28, 201713 votes

Zac's hidden passive should be a model for other champions. If Size becomes a stat, make his "unique hook" being that losing health makes him smaller. That way as things get more dangerous he can more easily get out of fights/avoid skillshots.

Glory ln DeathJan 29, 20172 votes

At 5% health, he's the size of a Teemo shroom.

It's the perfect defense! He'd be so small and cute, no one would want to attack him!

SpoofghoulJan 29, 20174 votes

Make Sion Huge again

Handy Sandy Jan 28, 20173 votes

YES! Even though there's item 2138 , champions can still abuse tank items.

xelakerJan 29, 20173 votes

so cho and zac loose a fun and unique part of their kit?

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 29, 20174 votes

Cho has built-in size (a rarity) and can easily exceed normal tank builds if size were a stat.
I mentioned this in another comment but Zac also loses size as he gets lower, which means while he can't tank as well when he's low he'll be able to survive better because he's a smaller target.

thundersaint32Jan 29, 20173 votes

When in doubt, Tankmo. Tankmo all the way mate. Teemo

LordGeovanniJan 30, 20171 votes

isnt that counter intuitave since tankmo is based of afk sunfire pushing lanes from invisiblity

EunsonJan 29, 20172 votes

Chogath Zac

LankPantsJan 29, 20172 votes

Many tank skills radiate FROM the tank. (Naut's Riptide. Sejuani's flail. Amumu's crying) Increasing their size buffs how much damage they can do without increasing their raw power.

In my experience that's not actually how Flail of the Northern Winds works. It has a set range away from Sejuani's centre, if you have an Elixir of Iron you actually need to be a little closer to enemies to deal damage to them. It matters less by the time you get EoI because you're typically level 18 and have ranks in Q and E, so you can stick ontop of a target better but if you were to buy it before you get your sticking tools it would hinder you.

That's not to say size wouldn't help Sejuani in any way, you would gain a little bit of range on the W hit but I doubt it would be worth what you'd lose on W ticks from being too large to apply them properly.

As it stands though, I'd avoid large size increases from items. I can play around EoI since it's so late and the other choices aren't great but I wouldn't actually want to be pumping up my size too much, the smaller I am the more W range I actually have to work with. If this was changed to work the way you thought it did, sure but as it stands I'd stick to whatever doesn't make me bigger, or something that makes me smaller if possible.

rtbf76109271Jan 29, 20172 votes

I foresee problems with champions fitting through the most narrow bushes if you could stack size large enough. You can already get pretty massive Chogath Lulu item 2138 item 3053 .

DaNinadJan 29, 20172 votes

I just want to see a giant lulu

Unlucky47Jan 30, 20172 votes

I don't like this idea. There are alot of times where I've been completely blocked out from something simply because the hit box was stupid. Thresh lanterns are easily stopped by sejuani parking her boar on them. I've missed kills on champions simply because the hecarim or garen walked in between us and It felt like I got cheated out of it because their asses are just slightly over the caitlyn or whatever. This would be good for tanks but just be a horrible experience for anyone else.

Inuyasha99999Jan 30, 20171 votes

youre mad that the only counter to threshes lantern other than death was utilized? i bet you also want to buff irelia too

Unlucky47Jan 31, 20171 votes

Did you only read the lantern part? There's a lot of consequences that would come out of it for anyone that isn't a tank. "i bet you also want to buff irelia too" bruh really. Only people that want her buffed are her mains, kind of like tank mains right now.

esmelarJan 29, 20171 votes

How will this work with Amumu? he so small since he is a yordle, and also a tank.

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 29, 20174 votes

An amumu with a ton of size = Naut-sized Amumu.

420 gramsJan 29, 20171 votes

Probably hard to program

Critmaster GarenJan 29, 20171 votes

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Probably hard to program

not at all.

the tech to manipulate any champions size is already in the game. item 2138 Lulu etc.

its literally just a matter of slapping size modifiers on items. it would take far more efford to balance than to code.

420 gramsJan 29, 20171 votes

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not at all.

the tech to manipulate any champions size is already in the game. etc.

its literally just a matter of slapping size modifiers on items. it would take far more efford to balance than to code.

I thought that was a set size increase, not ones that scale and change based on other stats.