Last pick trolls and forces someone to dodge

Espurr VI··22 votes·2,072 views

"Let's still take away LP and ban them from playing for 30 minutes. That sounds like a good way to keep people in line."

Riot, this is pretty bad. I can understand why you would put in this system to keep away people who queue up only to dodge and then re queue, but this is just overkill. Not only does this punish honest players for no reason, but you also let the trolls win. The trolls goal is to make players miserable, and by forcing innocent players to dodge, those same players are treated with a game loss and kicked from the queue for 30 minutes. By keeping a system like this, you are essentially saying that the trolls are free to go and that the real honest players are the ones to take the fall for no reason.

This is a very counter intuitive system and it needs to go. A 5 minute ban on a game is fine, but the LP reduction is not. We don't deserve that. We are innocent players who wanted to avoid a toxic game with someone who maliciously wanted to ruin it, and you're punishing us instead of the trolls.

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Narasimha3 votes

I'd love to have the LP reduction removed.

Enemy counter picks me? Dodge for no penalty. Enemy ends up with a better comp? Dodge for no penalty. I don't like how my team is shaping up? Dodge for no penalty.

See the issue here? A 30 minute wait time along isn't going to remove the issue. It just gives people an incentive to dodge situations they don't like.

Reynard the ƒox2 votes

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I'd love to have the LP reduction removed.

Enemy counter picks me? Dodge for no penalty. Enemy ends up with a better comp? Dodge for no penalty. I don't like how my team is shaping up? Dodge for no penalty.

The game begins in Team Select. Dodging to avoid those situations is a 100% valid way to increase your chances of winning. It's much better to lose 3 LP and 5 minutes of your time than 10 or more LP and 20 or more minutes of your time.

When you're dealt a bad hand, you fold.

Narasimha1 votes

And when everyone folds, no one gets to play a game. All this would do is open the doors for everyone to dodge at their whim.

magic pole2 votes

it encourages smurfing also. 30 min wait? well ill just hop on my 2nd or 3rd account. Play a game or 2, dodge when faced with an unfavorable pick/ban, then just hop on my original account

Espurr VI2 votes

If this is intended then, why punish us the honest players? We didn't want to face off with a person on our team who troll picked or was EXTREMELY toxic. Is that really worth punishing?

Posui Gart1 votes

Don't dodge. Force the troll to dodge himself or play and lose time and lp. And the existence of players like you is the reason trolls can do their trolling and remain unpunished

Espurr VI1 votes

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Don't dodge. Force the troll to dodge himself or play and lose time and lp. And the existence of players like you is the reason trolls can do their trolling and remain unpunished

No matter which way happens, the troll still gets his way. He wants his allies to lose.

Posui Gart2 votes

And thats wrong in 2 ways:

  1. There are trolls who just want to lose, but there are more "trolls" who force you to dodge if he didn't get his role or something like this, and they actually win in this situation
  2. The real trolls don't usually troll in pick phase, they pick their role as normal so you won't dodge and then troll in game.
jmaishere1 votes

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Don't dodge. Force the troll to dodge himself or play and lose time and lp. And the existence of players like you is the reason trolls can do their trolling and remain unpunished

the trolls give no fucks about their own time or lp

Knaughtydawg1 votes

something similar happened to me but instead of troll the team got into an argument and it was filling the chat room so when it came time for me to pick as last i asked what lane do you guys need me and no one answered so i asked again and nothing so when the timer was at the last second the person ahead of me picked there champion and left me with no time to pick mine so i got 3LP taken away and a 6 minute probation

gl0hs0zgf1 votes

That's a case of being too nice for your own good. In situations like this, pick a champion and lock in when there's 10 seconds left. This should be enough time for the other guy to make a decision (he might also be wanting to fill, who knows?) and for you to change runes and masteries. Ideally, pick a champion that can fit multiple roles, but it could be hard if the last two spots are ADC and jungle.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Riot's not looking at this thread because Riot doesn't have a Boards team.

High51 votes

There's not systemic way to fix it though. I'll dodge if I'm on a 5 min penalty, but just play through if not. It's unfortunately part of the game in draft. Many people either actively troll or don't bother to learn a new champ before playing them.

It's unfortunate, but it's a people problem, not a Riot problem in this case. Now, the useless spam, racism and swearing in selection chat is another matter.

edit: I know Riot wants people to buy new champs, but forcing them to play one ai game wouldn't be a huge hindrance and might improve the overall quality of games.

Ada Wong1 votes

Define being a Troll, I don't see eye to eye with 99% of the matches I get played with because there just in my opinion feels to be too much ignorance.

. I get like 4th pick on a team I think it was, Everyone is to busy talking about random stuff zero communication, my support auto locks without thinking or even talking.

. I am forced to go bot I have no problem doing it I know my Support already sucks based on the fact they auto locked so I choose a champion that can easily sustain a lane.

. I go bot lane, and my support is useless garbage as predicted they run out and get us both killed multiple times, refuse to listen to what the call was in chat, and then its GG absolutely no way I can play with someone who does this crap despite not following a specific set of meta rules players do the game could have been won, but not with a player who can't play and just doesn't talk champion select, or listen after the game starts.

My second game is the same exact way, we need Riot to enforce the other parts of the summoners code instead of just dealing with chat toxicity, where is the punishment for players who don't talk at all even in champion select.

^ The second game was dogged, Third Game, had the exact same people 3 players locked Mid no one bothered to team comp at all.

Occams Raiser1 votes

trolling vs bad is like porn vs art. it is hard to define one from the other, BUT you know it when you see it. If you can't discern one from the other without a concrete definition, you aren't ready for the conversation.

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