The problem with LeBlanc's Distortion

kcStranger··1 votes·813 views

So, I was thinking about the functionality of LeBlanc's distortion (W dash) in light of the recent nerfs. Increasingly, I'm thinking that making a balanced/fun version of this ability may just be incredibly difficult. The idea of slowing the dash was to increase counterplay against LeBlanc. The problem is that using W to deal damage tends to put LeBlanc in a very exposed position, so the relationship between the dash speed and typical human reflexes is extremely important. Here are the options:

  1. LeBlanc can dash in and out more quickly than (most/all) people can react (pre-nerf). This makes W a reliable source of burst with prediction plays as the only real counterplay.

  2. LeBlanc dashes in slow enough for people to react (post-nerf). This forces LeBlanc to choose her spots very carefully or risk getting CC'd and chunked or killed in response. (Note there isn't any counter-counterplay since once LeBlanc commits to her dash, she can't change where she's going mid-ability.)

I don't really think there is much middle ground between these extremes since LeBlanc either will or won't move slowly enough for people to react. (So, there's either a lot of counterplay, or very little.) The closest you could manage might be a speed where only some fraction of people could respond quickly enough...which honestly doesn't strike me as the optimal solution. I don't really want to suggest what I think is the optimal solution, but rather simply to lay out why I think this ability is problematic. I imagine there's some number for the Distortion missile speed (between the current 1300 and the old 1600) around which LeBlanc's effectiveness will vary dramatically, as it becomes slow enough to allow for reflex responses.

11 Comments

canpan141 votes

I think, as will previous nerfs like Kassadin/Olaf, they just wanted to slowly nerf her so people would start playing other champions. When a carry champion is #1 pick in LCS for so long they often see nerfs so other champions get rotated in. Usually the reason they are #1 is because they are a little to strong, but it is just something many of us have noticed.

AlphaKappaPika1 votes

I think she is in an amazing spot for soloq, first game i played after nerf i went 12-0 and solo carried my game, below plat she is probably one of the best mids in the game. but Yasuo is still my bae, 100k champ points and counting.

kcStranger1 votes

below plat she is probably one of the best mids in the game

That's the weird thing, though. Before the nerf, her win % was stable or even went up a little bit with player rank. After the nerf, it definitely goes down with rank, which tells me that the counterplay against LeBlanc is much more effective than before. My purpose isn't to say that the nerf was definitely overkill or bad, but rather just to point out that I think it's very hard to make LeBlanc a balanced/fun champion with her current kit (with the amount of counterplay to Distortion being a primary offender).

warpenguin5551 votes

i wanna see LB be able to deal damage on her distortion returns with a returning mana cost

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

fix is simple

put her burst somewhere else or simply distribute her power in a diferent way than it is

for instance you could reduce the cooldown and damage of q (damage nefr to not make it too op ... but the sigil detonation might stay the same)

so instead of removing you with couple skills lb would simply chunk you with repeated q splosions

thats what i consider to be a bad design of lb ... she has no core she just spamms BASIC abilities ... she doesnt even have an actual ult

if her mobilityy is her burst/ her cc is her burst/ her poke is her burst/ and her burst is everything

you cant realy ballance that much ... you hurt one you hurt everything

her skills are fun and create a very cool gameplay ... but she needs to be actualy tweaked in a way that allows her kit to be healthy and have that middle ground

Baunjo1 votes

Her ult is an actual ult. thats bullshit if you think she doesnt. and her damage on her q sucks enough as is, you lowering its current cdr and damage and lower the w damage is not going to help anything.

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

lb q damage bad? that was new

Baunjo1 votes

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lb q damage bad? that was new

when i say bad i mean the initial mark doesn't do hardly any damage, but procing the mark did. Her W was the most reliable way to do so, and although i haven't played her since they changed her, I cant imagine its hard to dodge her W. So what does that leave her kit with, use W for self peel and either hope to God you land E or just double Q to proc? makes sense

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

her ult is a basic skill dealing more damage ... read the tooltip if you think its something diferent

and her damage on her q sucks enough as is

her damage on her q is well its basicaly the same as her damage on her other skills ... she is made to have her damage kinda equaly spread across all of her basic skill and her ultimate basic skill dealing more

i dont even know if lb needs to use a specific skill to burst someone qrew wrqe erqw spamm whatever ... you will kill as long as you hit

as i said ... her skills are well made but her ult and her numbers .... those are bad and i dont mean that having an empowered basic ability as an ult is bad ... the thing is that its a basic ability dealing more damage ... they made something that calls for a good design to be put in there ... and they just said "fk it we will put some damage here ... because who cares"

Baunjo1 votes

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her ult is a basic skill dealing more damage ... read the tooltip if you think its something diferent

her damage on her q is well its basicaly the same as her damage on her other skills ... she is made to have her damage kinda equaly spread across all of her basic skill and her ultimate basic skill dealing more

i dont even know if lb needs to use a specific skill to burst someone qrew wrqe erqw spamm whatever ... you will kill as long as you hit

as i said ... her skills are well made but her ult and her numbers .... those are bad and i dont mean that having an empowered basic ability as an ult is bad ... the thing is that its a basic ability dealing more damage ... they made something that calls for a good design to be put in there ... and they just said "fk it we will put some damage here ... because who cares"

First of all, she isn't udyr, her R IS AN ULTIMATE. Second do you seriously think Riot just threw some numbers in there for her damage and just called it good?

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

actualy i would assume that she is an udyr tier when it comes to her ult

udyr gets a 4th skill that isnt any stronger lb doesnt get a 4th skill but makes her basic ability stronger so it would feel ultimate

Riot just threw some numbers in there for her damage and just called it good?

old design ... yeah back then it was a realy big deal that they made such a skill i suppose ... now they can make miracles in this game (lb should get an update)

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