Ekko is very balanced just overtuned.

Gigahappytown·May 29, 2015·7 votes·607 views

Pros+ hard hitting ranged harras Massive aoe stun and shield Massive aoe nuke and minor heal Preposition tool High mobiltiy Good crowd control The longer the fight goes he the higher chance he will come out on top. Snowballs hard

Cons- Squishy Has to really commit if he wants to 100-0 you Has to be up in your face to deal the most damage Awareness can render his W useless Q&W are difficult to hit and easy to avoid unless slowed by passive Early game he is no threat but has the tools to survive. Chained crowd control can cause his ghost to catch up to him rendering his only true escape useless. Difficult to play overall Annie lissandra nautilus malzahar exist

Ekko like every assassin to ever exist if he gets fed will single handdly carry and make the game unfun but if he falls behind hes worthless

He needs some tweaks to his passive damage and his q and he would be perfect

19 Comments

Dr PoroMay 29, 20153 votes

I don't think "balance" means what you think it means.

He has a fun and healthy kit (absolutely no lack of counterplay) but his stats are just absurd. Completely removing the heal from his ult would be a nice thing. People complained about this from the very beginning as it didn't fit thematically with the video. And as far as gameplay goes, why does an assassin need a shield AND a heal on top of his dash and 2 blinks of which one makes him invulnerable.

BlackEyesBlueMay 29, 20152 votes

... I still hate Zed much more...

M SchumacherMay 29, 20151 votes

very balanced

LOL

GigahappytownMay 29, 20151 votes

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very balanced

LOL Thank you for contributing to the discussion

kappa

M SchumacherMay 29, 20151 votes

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Thank you for contributing to the discussion

kappa

Its obvious hes the most broken thing in the game.. "Oh I'm getting ganked, lets press R and heal to full while dealing 800 dmg"

GigahappytownMay 29, 20151 votes

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Its obvious hes the most broken thing in the game.. "Oh I'm getting ganked, lets press R and heal to full while dealing 800 dmg"

Nice autisimo if you got hit by chronobreak Respect the clone like you respect orianna ball

"hurr durr i'm getting ganked o lol just speed boost shield and ult for 800 dmg and a stun"

RatbertMay 29, 20151 votes

Everyone has to commit if they really want to 100-0 you without mistakes. Just that some people can't escape once you commit, unlike ekko. Awareness can render entire champions useless ie fidds. If he has the tools to survive early, that means he WILL get to late, where he's a problem. Chained cc kills everyone, so it really isn't a con. Anti assassins exist, but anti-mage, anti-carry and anti tank champs exist too, so it's not really a con to have a fair playing field.

GigahappytownMay 29, 20152 votes

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Everyone has to commit if they really want to 100-0 you without mistakes. Just that some people can't escape once you commit, unlike ekko. Awareness can render entire champions useless ie fidds. If he has the tools to survive early, that means he WILL get to late, where he's a problem. Chained cc kills everyone, so it really isn't a con. Anti assassins exist, but anti-mage, anti-carry and anti tank champs exist too, so it's not really a con to have a fair playing field.

anti-mage is called a assassin.

Speaking of which You treat ekko like every other assassin he is no different Gank him early and make him fall behind. Then while he is recovering push towers and take objectives.

RatbertMay 29, 20151 votes

Yeah, so listing anti assassins isn't really a con when assassins exist as anti mages. Gank him early with what? If he wards a touch and uses his dash, he'll avoid most ganks. How will you push any lane but his? Why would their jungler not camp mid equally hard to offset your ganks?

LoLKiruMay 29, 20151 votes

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Yeah, so listing anti assassins isn't really a con when assassins exist as anti mages. Gank him early with what? If he wards a touch and uses his dash, he'll avoid most ganks. How will you push any lane but his? Why would their jungler not camp mid equally hard to offset your ganks?

That means you've forced his dash though, Which is down for the next 15-ish seconds (since he max's Q first usually).

It'd be less of an issue if Ekko didn't run out of mana ridiculously fast trying to farm with Q (which you should be forcing him to, force him to play safe or eat your poke while he can't engage on you)

Ekko is forced to commit to his engages UNLESS he blows his ult (in which case he should be wasting it, getting no damage from it at all; though this will depend on who he's fighting, how quickly they can force him to ult and such) Talon is probably the best comparison to him, given that they seem to suffer from a similar problem (both have easy ways into fights, and no real way out of them outside of blowing their ults).

RatbertMay 30, 20151 votes

15 seconds is trivial compared to flash's 300.

But he isn't forced to commit at all if he plans his stun field up before he engages so that he can fall back on its 3 second window.

Realistically, which mage doesn't use skills to farm and run oom quickly besides those with mana regen/saving passives.

GigahappytownMay 29, 20152 votes

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Yeah, so listing anti assassins isn't really a con when assassins exist as anti mages. Gank him early with what? If he wards a touch and uses his dash, he'll avoid most ganks. How will you push any lane but his? Why would their jungler not camp mid equally hard to offset your ganks?

>nautilus v >mages

THeres a thing called waiting until he has used his dash you don't gank zed when you know he has his living shadow do you?

Wait shh you hear that? Thats counterplay everything has a counter ekko is no different

RatbertMay 30, 20151 votes

Soz, if he never uses it, he's ungankable. good to know.

do you hear that? it's called saving escapes to ESCAPE? :o it's not like you poke with your mobility spells when you have ekko's q.

The Tilted KingMay 29, 20151 votes

You guys are just screaming op and broken cuz you don't understand him yet

LuggMay 29, 20151 votes

Let's go over those cons shall we.

-Squishy? Not really since he has a super shield and one of the best heals in the game. Give him any spell vamp and due to his extreme damage, he can beat anyone. -Has to commit? No problem, he kills you since he has everything in his kit to do so. -Doesn't even have to be close. He has Xerath like range on 2 of his abilities and a gap closer on the 3rd. -Awareness on W doesn't help much since you don't know where it will land until too late. -Q&W difficult to hit? I know you are trolling at this point and making shit up. -He doesn't have the best early game, but it isn't weak. -HMMM, chained crowd control requires multiple people. Any champion will lose in that situation, so it's not a con. -Difficult. ROFL, by the end of the first day Bronze 5 guys were looking like Faker. -Champions who he just kills as well.

And just like every assassin he hardly ever falls behind and carries. So we have just proven that he has no real weakness.

The Tilted KingMay 29, 20151 votes

Lol this guy... You give anyone spell vamp or lifesteal and its the same thing. Give talon a hydra, only 40 seconds on his ult and 2 minion waves and he's ready for seconds. How are you gonna say he doesn't have to commit? Is ur point that he can kill so fast and ult out that he doesn't have to commit? Maybe.. He is an assassin. That's their job. Also notice that if you stun hin, shield or not he's dead. Stun or silence and it's gg. His q is slow as anivias, and like ahri it does more on the way back. Don't be a dumbass and dodge it. If your hit with it, your out of position or just failed to dodge. His w is so telegraphed it you get hit by it. He deserved it. hardly falls off and carries? Lol what

LuggMay 30, 20151 votes

I was saying the spell vamp wasn't even really needed, but if he had it, GG Hard CC is a counter to any champion, so I hardly consider that a weakness. His Q isn't slow at all until it hits an enemy, and it's fast coming back. If he misses on the way out, he just can re-position and get you on the way in. His W is just as bad. You only see where it's going to land 1 second before it hits and the area is so big, good luck dodging that one. I was saying that he doesn't fall off at all and that he will carry hard all game.

Once again I have refuted everything you try to say. Just man up and admit he is broken as hell.

GigahappytownMay 30, 20151 votes

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I was saying the spell vamp wasn't even really needed, but if he had it, GG Hard CC is a counter to any champion, so I hardly consider that a weakness. His Q isn't slow at all until it hits an enemy, and it's fast coming back. If he misses on the way out, he just can re-position and get you on the way in. His W is just as bad. You only see where it's going to land 1 second before it hits and the area is so big, good luck dodging that one. I was saying that he doesn't fall off at all and that he will carry hard all game.

Once again I have refuted everything you try to say. Just man up and admit he is broken as hell.

Kid Having a weakness that others have doesn't make it any less of a weakness Thats like saying zyras weakness of being mobile isn't really a weakness since a ton of champions have that weakness

And your average ekko build will leave you really squishy

BluePolarizerMay 30, 20151 votes

counters to cons:

You can build him bruiser or full tank. His base damage is already insane.
He doesn't have to commit any more than any other melee.
Q/W are only hard to hit 1v1. League is not a 1v1 game. His W and Q are the best follow up nukes in the game to any sort of allied stun whatsoever.
Chained crowd control... lol ANY champ that is not full tank Sion is countered by chained CC.
Difficult to play? All you need is either your top, mid, jungle or support to have at least 1 CC and not feed like crap. Then you win teamfights with zoning alone, not to mention damage.

I barely even mentioned his damage btw, just his utility. His damage is obviously through the roof, but he has the utility to build full tank and still be amazing. That's how ridiculous he is.