As a Yasuo main, seeing this tilts me so hard...

FACE THE WlND·Apr 14, 2016·47 votes·6,329 views

According to champion.gg in 9368 of Yasuo games played this patch the Yasuo maxed Q first, then E, 48% winrate. Only 3104 games the Yasuo maxed E first then Q, ~54% winrate. This is just so bad... I don't understand why people are maxing Q first. Although I'm also kind of happy that they're keeping Yasuo's overall winrate down. Another thing is when I'm in game, and my team wants to lecture me on how Trinty Force is terrible on Yasuo, and how I should be going IE instead. Then there are the people who flame me, ban my Yasuo, or say I'm troll picking when I pick Yasuo top. Just needed to vent I guess lol.

168 Comments

DrShokingApr 14, 201645 votes

"Just needed to vent" yasuo wind air air-vent I get you [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 201624 votes

Finally someone who gets me!

DaxanaterApr 14, 201630 votes

They hate us so we must use the forbidden build.

item 3041 item 3089 Yasuo item 3157 item 3285

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20165 votes

I tried AP Yasuo once, never again... -_- I guess I am yet to master the ways of the wind.

EvewynnApr 14, 20163 votes

It's not your fault, they gut his AP ratio.

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20162 votes

Ggwp, they must've seen it coming.

DaxanaterApr 14, 20163 votes

FeelsBadMan [zombie-nunu-bummed]

JofeyyApr 14, 20166 votes

item 3115 item 3100 item 3285 item 3089 item 3157 item 3006 Is legit af LOL

Edit: forgot item 3146 you can swap that with anything except for item 3115 and item 3100

Troll for TrumpApr 15, 20164 votes

Ron Jeremy's new Op Build! Yasuo Mains Hate HIm!

VerukaApr 14, 201623 votes

When I first started playing League, I was always confused about Yasuo. He was this epic tornado guy and was just devastating to play against. BUT I could not understand what his obsession was with sushi was. I don't know why, but literally every time he used Steel Tempest, I heard "WASABI".. and when he uses Wind Wall, I swear, I heard him say "TASTE THE WIND". Now I know that's definitely not what he was saying.. but since I heard it for so long, I cannot help but think it. Your name reminded me of this. TASTE THE WIND! Just thought I'd share lol

spavinedApr 15, 20163 votes

thank you so much for sharing, this made my day :) LOL

redniwediSApr 14, 201614 votes

People don't really experiment. They do one thing, like the way it feels, and stop.

As a Garen main it pains me to see people still maxing his E first. The spin got a serious early game nerf.

Only 2.52% of Garen players max Q>E>W, and yet it has a 68.66% win rate, highest of all skill orders shown.

At least it makes it easier to get S ranks...

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20165 votes

Wow, I've been maxing E after his changes, I thought it was better than Q now. Lol I guess I'm one of the people I'm complaining about, but I rarely ever play Garen he would be a last resort, 1 second left panic pick for me. Thanks for sharing!

redniwediSApr 14, 20169 votes

No problem. Just note that his spin did get a buff, but it's a buff based on levels rather than skill ranks. Late game it will end up doing more damage than before.

In lane, however, is a very different story.

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20164 votes

The reason I didn't think to max Q on Garen was because the silence does not scale, but since they nerfed the movement speed (Right?) getting the extra movement speed duration and damage would be nice, since as you said his E won't start doing much damage till late.

JayHog1992Apr 14, 20168 votes

Honestly, heard the new fashion for Yasuo is building phantom dancer, which makes sense for duels, at the cost of waveclear from stattik.

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20164 votes

Yea, the difference is huge. EQ after Statik Shiv pretty much one shots the minion wave, while PD doesn't even one shot the back line until you get Trinity Force, but when it comes to dueling in the top lane the damage reduction is a must, and it makes Yasuo a huge split pushing threat. After Trinity Force I purchase Titanic Hydra which really helps with wave clear and procs on his Q, but a neat trick is to activate Titanic Hydra and EQ and you get the empowered proc off.

Fisherman FízzApr 14, 20168 votes

Something similar happens with Darius, majority of people max W after Q when W doesn't give you anything besides a lower cooldown, you should be maxing E for the 25% free armor pen...

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FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20163 votes

Yeah, I remember doing that for a few games after the Darius rework, and then a few games later realizing how stupid I was for doing so, good thing he was pretty insane back then so I won anyways. :)

Do It For NA Apr 14, 20166 votes

Yasuo? more like uh... GAS-uo ooooooooo get rekt u stinky fuck ( jk yasuo senpai carry me )

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 201620 votes

o_O

BlitzidiousApr 15, 20164 votes

You know what, man or woman, or whatever, you do you. Don't let the hate and envy get to you. Mastering Yasuo is hard, I respect that. I respect him as a champion. I don't know why everyone acts like they know best, because they clearly don't. It'd be like someone coming onto Swain first time and deciding "getting 40% is absolutely necessary on him". NO IT ISN'T. It's significantly more effective to go into raw stats such as AP, HP, Mana, and Movement speed. The thing that jumps in second, after you get these primary stats are mrpen, armor, and magic resist. Cooldown reduction is a tertiary stat for him, you only get it if it's on a core item for your build. You don't build for Cooldown reduction, you just get it as some added fluff to the good items, like Spirit Visage, and, uh, Spirit Visage. Oh, and the new Zhonya's, whenever that patch comes out.

So, have fun doing your Hasagi stuff, or, whatever Yas shouts.

FACE THE WlNDApr 15, 20164 votes

HASAGI! Thanks man! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KekOfTheFinestApr 14, 20163 votes

Same when darius max goddamn W second instead of E,like WHY!?!? 4 seconds cd on w and NOTHING ELSE,or 25% ARMOR PEN ON E,and an EXTRA 10 seconds lowered cd. Bloody hell,like seriously with BC you have 55% armor pen lv GODDAMN 13!

My Waifu VanillaApr 14, 20162 votes

It's less than 55% (it's 25% off of the now 70% armor they have after maxed cleaver), but your point still stands that maxing E second is very good.

DesideriumApr 14, 20163 votes

Trinity Force is not bad on Yasuo.

Infinity Edge is better.

There. That should clear all misunderstandings. It's not that Trinity is bad on him, it's that IE is way better for damage. But Trinity is okay if you want to go bruiser-ish. But you miss out on a lot of DPS from IE.

Only Play DariusApr 14, 20161 votes

Triforce gives better burst and let's him take towers faster, but I don't find it to be worth sacrificing IE, which just gives him too much of an overall damage boost.

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20161 votes

What about on Yasuo top? I always go Trinity Force on Yasuo toplane, it provides everything Yasuo needs, and has a much better build path imo.

Only Play DariusApr 15, 20162 votes

I rarely play Yasuo top, and I haven't built Triforce on him since the ADC item rework. It probably works pretty well for him there though, gives him HP earlier to help him last longer in brawls with fighters, and I guess he isn't suffering from the loss of the Shiv poke since most top laners have scaling MR and sustain to practically ignore it.

FACE THE WlNDApr 15, 20163 votes

Yea, and the sheen damage applies to all units hit with EQ combo so it kinda makes up for it.

Only Play DariusApr 15, 20161 votes

Huh, I was wondering how the on-hits worked with the spin combo since the game simply says "first target hit". Had no idea the game would be so generous about it, that definitely makes a strong case for spellblade since a good Yasuo will find openings to hit multiple champs with the spin. Learn something new every day.

FACE THE WlNDApr 15, 20163 votes

Yeah, and I like to go Titanic hydra and using the active before I EQ to add that bonus extra damage which does a surprising amount.

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20166 votes

I play bruiser Yasuo top, sorry didn't clarify. I agree 100% if you're trying to maximize damage output definitely go IE.

Blue Moon WolfApr 14, 20163 votes

As someone who does own Yasuo but doesn't use him much, I can tell you exactly why people max his Q first. Simply put, people know it's his main damage dealing spell and the one you use the most, so they expect that is the one you should max first. Obviously this isn't the case for every champ, but people who are not that used to the champ will think "oh, I use this one all the time, I should max it first". As for the Yasuo top, I'm right there with you. He is in fact a top/mid champ, so it should be completely fine to go to either one with him. But, like Zed , people saw how good he was in mid and now it's become taboo to use him anywhere else. In fact, my main ( MonkeyKing ) was advertised as a top/ mid lane champ as well, but wound up becoming a primarily top lane and would likely be considered trolling if you go mid with him now.

FACE THE WlNDApr 15, 20163 votes

Yea I was thinking the same thing but when ~3/4 of all Yasuo games are Q max it's pretty absurd. I can see Wukong mid being good, it's like a jarvan mid kinda thing, roams would be good with clone.

Blue Moon WolfApr 15, 20161 votes

Oh Wukong mid is great. He has a pretty high mana cost early game, but doesn't have the danger of running out of mana as fast most regular mid lane champs (unless it's someone like Katarina or Zed for obvious reasons), Decoys are great for catching the enemy off guard and He's one of the most difficult champs to gank, which is perfect for mid lane. Downside is the most you have for keeping your distance is your Q, otherwise you got to get in close and when you are against someone who can stun/root you, you normally end up eating some spells. >_<

FACE THE WlNDApr 15, 20162 votes

My favorite thing about Wukong by far, is faking clone, press s, enemy thinks your clone, get out, profit.

SpearKittyApr 15, 20163 votes

As not a Yasuo main, I can confirm that I always max E first; not for an advantage, but because zooming around the minion wave is the only thing that makes Yasuo fun to me.

DenimistApr 15, 20163 votes

I actually love it when enemy yasuo goes statik>ie instead of trinity>pd when im a duelist, so easy to kill a yasuo going like that unless he is really fed

BoxpencilApr 14, 20162 votes

So true, especially when people tell me to build IE instead of trinity, and the fact that people think Yasuo top is a troll pick.

FACE THE WlNDApr 14, 20161 votes

Yup it's really annoying.

IronwallJacksonApr 14, 20163 votes

Yas top looks like a troll pick because he lacks a lot of what you want out of a traditional top laner, as well as having several pretty bad matchups against the likes of Garen and Daruis.

My Waifu VanillaApr 14, 20162 votes

Which is why you don't typically blind pick Yas top. If I am picking before their top laner (and hypothetically want Yas) I will either A) trade with someone like support who does not get counterpicked as hard, or B) not pick Yasuo.

PePsiLemoNNApr 15, 20162 votes

Even I know that maxing E on him is better and I barely play him lol

SFGG MamaBrendynApr 15, 20162 votes

Some people just prefer playing him like Trashuo

Great OzymandiusApr 15, 20162 votes

I'm not familiar with Yas skills, but you can't automatically infer that because maxing one skill first is associated with a higher winrate that therefore you should max that skill first to get a higher winrate.

Specifically, sometimes it's optimal to max different skill depending on the matchup. If it is optimal to max one skill in a bad matchup and is optimal to max the other skill in a good matchup, and people play optimally, then maxing first skill first will be associated with lower winrates and maxing the second skill first will be associated with higher winrates. However, by assumption, you should still max the first skill in the bad matchup.

Let me see if I can give an example... As Nasus I always max q first. However, I sometimes max w next or e next. e shreds a lot of armor and is great for an all-in duel. It's also good for pushing lane if I won my lane and need to quickly put pressure on turrets. w is great at either helping me to escape, preventing an enemy from escaping, or reducing an enemy's attack speed.

Well, vayne and quin are hard counters to nasus because of their insane early-game bullying. Without a lot of jungler help, I have a bad time. They are auto-attack centric, and they won't stand in my spirit fire to duel me. So I max w (wither) second versus them. But because they counter me, I have a worse winrate laning against them. Also if a lane is going really badly and I need to be able to reliably escape from some other champion, i max w second. Consistent with then, Nasus on champion.gg has a higher winrate when he maxes spirit fire after q (rather than wither after q). That does NOT mean he should always max spirit fire second. It means that Nasus has a lower winrate when bad matchups force him to max wither second.

The LexerApr 15, 20161 votes

What's the winrate for maxing w?

FACE THE WlNDApr 15, 20164 votes

I would assume either extremely high or extremely low because it's probably only played like 2 times max.

JheraApr 15, 20161 votes

Trinity Force is bad and unnecessary on Yasuo ever since they buffed Shiv crit chance from 20% ----> 30%, meaning you'll get 100% crit chance after just Shiv+IE (or PD+IE which is probably better in most situations). Not to mention how terrible Trinity Force is as an item on most champions nowadays when there's much cheaper and/or higher impact alternatives (Black Cleaver, Iceborn Gauntlet, Sterak's Gage, Maw of Malmortius, etc).

NyhverApr 15, 20163 votes

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Trinity Force is bad and unnecessary on Yasuo ever since they buffed Shiv crit chance from 20% ----> 30%, meaning you'll get 100% crit chance after just Shiv+IE (or PD+IE which is probably better in most situations). Not to mention how terrible Trinity Force is as an item on most champions nowadays when there's much cheaper and/or higher impact alternatives (Black Cleaver, Iceborn Gauntlet, Sterak's Gage, Maw of Malmortius, etc).

Trinity force is by no means bad on Yasuo

It doesn't give him the same damage as Infinity Edge does, but that doesn't make it bad