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Maybe a solution to Master Broken? I mean Master Yi

Hyperiön··5 votes·1,122 views

Let's face it, Master Yi, is very unstable right now. Even with the nerf that turned into a buff on him in patch 6.8, You increased the cooldown by 12 seconds, which is a fair amount I will say, however, you did not nerf his ult, you made it better. The duration went from 10 seconds to 7 seconds, but then you increased the kill/assist reset to 7 seconds from 4, so that in itself completely voided the change you just put in effect because unless he is ulting to get away, he is guarenteed atleast one kill or assist. His ultimate is the primary reason he is broken. So here is what I propose:

Make his ultimate Longer initially, say 12 seconds, which is longer than previously, and then on a kill or assist, it increases 2 seconds AS WELL AS REMOVE THE RESISTANCE or lower the effectiveness of slows. So he does not have to rely on his ultimate solely to ravage everyone. 500 movement speed, unstopable unless hard cc in which he can dodge with his Q if times right, pretty much grants you a free kill or two on the backline. Another thing maybe to look into, is to change his Q. His Q can crit, and I am not 100% cure, but I am pretty sure that it is a 100% crit Damage spell. That should not be the case. Yasuo and Jhin both half lower crits because of their kits, so why shouldnt master yi? Another thing to take into mind here is that Wuju Style will stack with double strike, which can also critical strike, now the second attack is only 50% AD, but still Riot, that is a crap top of critical strike for a champion that has no damage reduction on it. But please correct me if I am wrong about this because the Forums weren't very well said about the damage output.

And I am not trying to nitpick and completely destroy Master Yi, but his Q is 100% AD SCALING! Full damage yi with 400 AD, Alpha Strike Critical Strikes, and boom, anyone squishy is dead.

So please Riot, I am asking you to take a loot into this and come up with some sort of balance for him because where he stands, he either gets immediately shut down, with perma cc lock, not like a lot of teams have that anyways, or he gets out of control and kills everyone with how easy it is for him to kill the carries.

47 Comments

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

his ultimate is whats broken. there are many champions that do just as much damage as yi. if not more. if jax ult made him get 40% movement speed crazy attack speed and immune to slows his winrate would sky rocket. even a squishy master yi build is bullshit when you can dive squishies and turrets don't do jackshit of damage. last time i checked there are way more slows than hard ccs in the game and hard cc is usually a skillshit. good luck locking him down when he can easily juke it with 600 movement speed and his untargetability. also if he can kill a squishy in 2 autos it doesn't really matter. few weeks ago I was playing mid varus. yi ults and comes to me. I literally ult him immediately. he didn't juke it or alpha strike itb ecause hes bad. i died before getting out of his auto range with ghost and yommous activated. yeah yi did some 2k damage to me in about 0.6 seconds. and hes supposed to be a sustained damage champion. when you die before getting out of a melee champion range u know something is wrong. his base stats are too high. a 3 item yi feels like he does as much damage as a 6 item ayne

what was the last time you saw a yi do anything without his ultimate? he can't do anything. he will just get blown.

just change his ultimate. don't make him resist slows. just bullshit

just give him a new ultimate its cancerous. he already has a lot of true damage if he goes full ad. FORCE him to go full ad. and give us the chance to blow him up by ccing him down because thats the only way to deal with hypercarries.

yi is both an assassin and a melee carry. sustained damage is so much that you can call it a burst.

you can't really outplay yi you either are way more fed than him or you lose. no matter how they change him. hes just a mess.

Hyperiön1 votes

Exactly, So that is why I am Hoping Riot will look at this and maybe do something about it.

Verxint2 votes

You mean a damage focused champ who has to hard melee to do damage and has little else in his kit besides damage does a lot of damage? man what is riot thinking

Yi is always going to be a pubstomper because lower MMR doesn't know how to work together. He shouldn't be balanced around the lowest common denominator

Hyperiön1 votes

We are both in Gold, yes you might be a few divisions higher than I am, but even going up against Yi at this level can be very frustrating if your team has little to no CC. I mean, hell, exhaust doesn't even work against him...

Verxint3 votes

"Team has little to no CC" Why did this happen and why are blaming yi for the fact that your team picked a shitty comp? That's not Yis fault. Plenty of champs would do the same thing.

Hyperiön1 votes

You are completely missing the point here. Yes teams should have taking like a leona or nami or someone like that, but even with a leona ult, or annie ult, he can just alpha strike it and go on his merry way.

Verxint2 votes

He needs a target to alpha strike and teams should have multiple CC.

If he uses alpha strike to dodge, he needs a target. If your team is positioned properly, he shouldn't have a viable target in range. Once he alphas onto a suboptimal target (because you forced him to do it) he's open to focus.

The things you're complaining about Yi doing, plenty of champs can and will do if you make similar mistakes around them.

Spicy Rice1 votes

If your team has only 1 cc they are trying to use against master yi, that's considered little to no cc. Now lets say you have a team with more cc. You throw out 1 to bait the alpha strike, throw out the other to seal the deal. There you go.

Cenobite Azaziel2 votes

I like how ppl are master yi "experts" nerfs masters but fail to see that guinsoo and devourer will be gone next patch =], reducing yi winrate.

Hyperiön1 votes

Guinsoo's isn't gone next patch, it is just getting nerfed. And new jungle item does 3% max health. stack that with Bork, and that is 9% max HP each auto attack. so I don't think it will necessarily affect him that much, it will be just like when they initially introduced Devourer, except it will not stack on hit like it used too.

Cenobite Azaziel2 votes

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Guinsoo's isn't gone next patch, it is just getting nerfed. And new jungle item does 3% max health. stack that with Bork, and that is 9% max HP each auto attack. so I don't think it will necessarily affect him that much, it will be just like when they initially introduced Devourer, except it will not stack on hit like it used too.

Guinsoo is being reworked. Won't work on yi (3800 cost, throw away AP etc..). At this point wit's end is a better option. Sated is gone, the thing that made a power spike in yi build.

Literally EVERYTHING that makes yi overbuffed is going away. And he got nerfed. Expect a drop in win rate of 5~10% Kindred is going to be more broken than yi this patch.

clement12131 votes

Totally agree

Baunjo1 votes

Yi hasn't been played for crits in a long time. I don't find that argument relevant

Hyperiön1 votes

I know he hasn't, but when people get really fed early game, and get a PD or Static, his potential damage goes though the roof. So that is why I thought I would address it and see what others had to say about it.

Baunjo1 votes

Why would you do that when you could put that gold into your on hit build...? It does more damage xD

Hyperiön1 votes

Say you have devourer, rageblade, deadmans, steraks and then a static or PD, with boots. That is tanky, A shit ton of damage, and with crit strike. Yes you give up the last tank item for crit/damage, but it is still super lethal with his ult giving him immunity to slows.

Baunjo1 votes

I don't think you understand what's wrong with that statement.

On hit damage doesn't crit, and yi does not build a whole lot of AD anymore. So that stat is almost completely wasted when you compare it to an item that actually goes well with that build.

Hyperiön1 votes

Yes on hit does not crit, I know, but what I am saying that even with the slightest of damage, he normally has 250. that is still 500 crit damage, not including all of his true damage and on hit affects.

Baunjo1 votes

Or you could just do more damage by building on hit... like what are you getting at here? He wastes his gold and slots by building a single crit item without building more AD behind it. He can just build more on hit and do even more damage.

Hyperiön1 votes

Okay maybe you can't understand why I have said in the last 3 replies to you? or your Bronze mind set has you thinking all tough. There are 5 on hit items in this game, rageblade, bork, dev, nashors, and wits end. go ahead and build a nashors and wits end on him and see how that goes.

Baunjo1 votes

O_O gets mad rather than being rational

Every one of those items aside from wits end is very good on him, and even then wits end can still be useful. You don't just build an on hit item. You completely forgot that hex tech gun blade and deaths dance exist, both very good items on him.

A good glass cannon build on Yi includes:

item 3931 item 3124 item 3146 item 3009 item 3153 item 3156

A good off tank build is something like

item 3931 item 3124 item 3111 item 3742 item 3053 item 3748

But when I say build " on hit items " I don't mean those items. There is items that synergies with rageblade such as item 3146 item 3812

I really don't think you know enough about this champion to be complaining about builds. You clearly have no idea what to build with him.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Not to mention the crit animations take longer than his regular autos, so the crits might actually lower the dps due to the sheer amount of time the animation takes

Drehirth1 votes

I think anything with resets is cancer and shouldn't be in the game.

Hyperiön1 votes

Agree'd but RIot likes to make Darius do 10k Dmg per team fight.

Spicy Rice2 votes

Ever slow a darius? Its really funny, how he does 0 damage if he can't walk up to your team

Zerolera1 votes

I think we should wait until we see how this next patch affects him. The fact that Guinsoo probably isn't going to be ideal for him anymore and that he'll lose out on the phantom hit passive that caused his win to skyrocket may bring him down to normal levels

Hyperiön1 votes

It is going to be interesting on how guinsoo's will affect him, but I still think that it will still be very viable for him after playing on the pbe.

Zerolera2 votes

I've played it on the PBE and got a complete different impression so we shall see. So far the reduced AD, and the lack of being able to generate 6 stacks with one auto attack definitely killed a lot of the damage.

Hyperiön2 votes

Oh Definitely, but it will be interesting upon release whether Riot completely Killed off champs and then they will feel bad and rebuff it in future patches.

Zerolera1 votes

I wouldn't mind if they completely kill it honestly. It's so hard to handle him in the uncoordinated solo queue.

DoctorInju1 votes

Muenster Yi, too cheesy Master Brie, too cheesy

Baunjo1 votes

I just realized you complained about darius too...

You called me bronze, yet you whine about all the champions that dominate low ELO? That's a pretty funny coincidence. Why is it that I almost never have issues with these champions?

Hyperiön1 votes

I have absolutely no problem with darius except his ult. Because that was the topic of the chat, the resets. Darius is super easy to shut down. Well atleast for me.

Baunjo1 votes

So you still do have issues with darius. And Yi..

Hyperiön1 votes

You're point? I have my opinions, just like you have yours. Doesn't make either of us right.

Baunjo1 votes

It's just a funny coincidence you complain about champions that stomp bad players but you just called me bad, and I have no issues with them. ;)

Hyperiön1 votes

I literally just said I had no problems with darius, fuck, even with Yi, all of my mid laners i play have cc, so he just blows up. I was just trying to give a little insight as a probable fix, but you are too stubborn minded to actually read what I said.

Baunjo1 votes

If you have no problem with Yi then why on earth am I arguing with you on a post about how broken Yi is? That you made no less :P

Hyperiön1 votes

Because you like to argue. All I did was voice my opinion, and all of you 12 year olds go off like a light bulb.

Baunjo1 votes

You just said you have no problem with yi, but you made a post about how broken he is.

I don't have a problem with yi, and I have never made a post about him being broken. I don't believe I have ever done that with a champion.

Do you understand the flaw in your statement?

Hyperiön1 votes

Learn the difference between a problem with a champion, and a problem playing against a champion.

Baunjo1 votes

Either doesn't matter, you have to learn how to overcome either

Girard1 votes

"Another thing maybe to look into, is to change his Q. His Q can crit, and I am not 100% cure, but I am pretty sure that it is a 100% crit Damage spell. That should not be the case. Yasuo and Jhin both half lower crits because of their kits, so why shouldnt master yi?"

Jhin isn't a fighter that gets right in your face and does a shot that does % missing health damage, as well as gains damage that he gets in addition to crit chance. Jhin isn't a valid comparison right there. Yasuo, I'm going to be honest, I'm not too fond of his kit and how overloaded I think he is, but he doesn't ever get nearly as much attack speed and mixed damage as Yi does. I never personally have a problem with CC because my friends and I always just play champs with some form of CC, once you realize how easily he gets countered he is no problem whatsoever.

Hyperiön1 votes

I know that CC is all it takes to counter him, I am an Ahri main, so if I land a charm on him, he is dead if the team actually follows up. Thats why I barely see him in play anymore, and when I do, normally I have a decent enough jungler to counter jungle him, and he normally goes with some form of CC.

Sasogwa1 votes

The ult is much worse than before. When you have resets, the duration is long enough with both. It's a nerf otherwise because if the opponents delays enough, your ult runs out and you're fucked. Also if you think the problem with master yi is his crit scalings, you're clearly not aware of the real problems. Yi's Q is at best 10% of his damage, he's entirely autoattack focused and his Q, only damage spell is pretty meh. It's main use is to gapclose, outplay and dodge things. Also I don't understand what you mean by "remove the resistance". What resistance? His immunity to slows? He should be punished if he does kills? The strongest build by far on Yi right now is on-hit bruiser. Critical strike is weakish/balanced right now.

Cenobite Azaziel1 votes

Just passing by to remind you all that next patch wwith the new guinsoo and blood razor master yi will be gutted.

Even cowsep is thinking of dropping master yi for jax.

Cenobite Azaziel1 votes

Just passing by to say: I told you so. http://champion.gg/champion/MasterYi/Jungle 43%. Plummeted.

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