@Riot: Why do you insist on Lux being inferior to Xerath?

darkdill··8 votes·1,450 views
Xerath maxing W is still a better Lux than Lux * /r/leagueoflegends

Xerath does drastically better damage, has better safety, and better mana sustainability. Lux has to E and then auto-attack the minions to clear a wave (or use her ult, which is not advised), while Xerath can instantly delete it with Q or W. Xerath has access to a stun, while Lux does not, and his slow is more powerful.

Even Pwyff thinks Lux needs more love!

So why aren't you giving her some? Serious, I found her crying in a corner today!

19 Comments

Darth Pixy Misa6 votes

I agree, Lux needs a mana cost reduction, because of this mana regen nerf, A small boost to the base damage on E, and a ms boost.

darkdill1 votes

They probably won't boost her MS due to it making her too hard to punish for mistakes, but I agree that she at the very least needs to be compensated in some way for how much the mana regen changes screwed her over.

X8ViEhkPS02 votes

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They probably won't boost her MS due to it making her too hard to punish for mistakes, but I agree that she at the very least needs to be compensated in some way for how much the mana regen changes screwed her over.

Actually when Lux was strong and saw plenty of LCS play. Riot ended up nerfing her which caused her ultimate to go on a 30 second CD up from 24 while holding onto 40% CDR. And they decreased her movement speed by 10. Even if they reverted both of these changes I don't believe that Lux would be considered a strong pick.

darkdill1 votes

Riot very rarely goes back on stuff like that. MAYBE they could give her 5 extra MS, but I doubt they'll give her 10 because she's long-ranged and very safe.

I'd love that 24 second CD on her PEW PEW, but I seriously doubt Riot would give that back to us. T_T

Vecuu4 votes

LEAVE LUX ALONE

She fills a niche between Xerath and Lulu. Accept that her damage is always going to be inferior to other traditional mages.

She offers:

-double snare -double aoe shields -area denying slow field

She is super safe, can keep her team safe, and can 100-0 squisheys. She's fine.

If you buff her damage, you make her op.
If you buff her utility, you have to nerf her base damage and basically just created a support.
The only thing you could reasonably buff on her is some basic stuff like base stats. I recall a specific base Movespeed nerf which could probably be reversed. Maybe.

BakedLotion3 votes

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LEAVE LUX ALONE

She fills a niche between Xerath and Lulu. Accept that her damage is always going to be inferior to other traditional mages.

She offers:

-double snare -double aoe shields -area denying slow field

She is super safe, can keep her team safe, and can 100-0 squisheys. She's fine.

If you buff her damage, you make her op.
If you buff her utility, you have to nerf her base damage and basically just created a support.
The only thing you could reasonably buff on her is some basic stuff like base stats. I recall a specific base Movespeed nerf which could probably be reversed. Maybe.

Or you give her more base damage on her E so she can finally clear the caster minions. Like dead fucking ass. She just needs like 10-20 base damage. Theres no reason for that spell to cost so much fucking mana, have a high ass cooldown, and a delay before u can explode it, yet, ironically cant clear even the caster minions.

Vecuu1 votes

Her passive is factored into it, you auto a caster after an E. Still easy wave clear.

Not to mention how incredibly short of a cooldown her ult has, even after the last cooldown nerf.

Her waveclear is not a problem.

BakedLotion4 votes

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Her passive is factored into it, you auto a caster after an E. Still easy wave clear.

Not to mention how incredibly short of a cooldown her ult has, even after the last cooldown nerf.

Her waveclear is not a problem.

Meanwhile anyone else can just one shot the ENTIRE wave with one ability.

RavenHusky2 votes

The thing is that Lux is trying to be many different things at once, while not excelling at any of them. She's got a good amount of damage, Plenty of utility and crowd control, safety with her range, but she has her issues as well.

Her long early cooldowns, and her insane mana costs prevent her from being able to spam spells effectively. Her passive also runs counter to the whole premise of her kit, which is her long range. Her shield also means that she loses out on even more potential damage, by not having a 4th damaging spell.

On the flip side, looking from the support role, again cooldowns and mana costs prevent her from being an effective support, as well as the lack of any hard crowd control. Not to mention, her ultimate does nothing beyond dealing damage, which runs counter to being a support.

In Solo Queue, Lux is a great champ because she can do a ton of things, and can adapt to whatever happens. In higher level play however, when people are trying to build specific team comps, you're better off picking something that specializes in a specific niche. Want long range poke/siege, Go Xerath. Want utility? Pick Orianna.

Right now, Lux is balanced because she's a jack of all trades, master of none, and right now, Riot's not going to do anything major because she's not being oppressive, as well as people liking her the way she is, but I wouldn't be surprised if she winds up in the rework department in the future.

One thing's for sure though, her mana costs need to be significantly reduced, because 130 mana on her primary damage spell is insane.

DanofDemacia1 votes

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LEAVE LUX ALONE

She fills a niche between Xerath and Lulu. Accept that her damage is always going to be inferior to other traditional mages.

She offers:

-double snare -double aoe shields -area denying slow field

She is super safe, can keep her team safe, and can 100-0 squisheys. She's fine.

If you buff her damage, you make her op.
If you buff her utility, you have to nerf her base damage and basically just created a support.
The only thing you could reasonably buff on her is some basic stuff like base stats. I recall a specific base Movespeed nerf which could probably be reversed. Maybe.

Ziggs aoe slow is better. Zyras snare is better. That aoe shield is were u got me. Also anyone can 100-0 squishes. I think they should get rid fo her shield.

DanofDemacia3 votes

Exactly. Lux has no niche. There isn't anything she can do that someone else cant. Xerath has better damage and more reliable in lane. Ziggs is safer and also potentialy has more damage. Her shield is basically pointless in the niche she's trying to fill. She is also a really bad support. So there go's her support niche.

Also XD at that xerath's w is a better lux than lux.

GloriousKaiser2 votes

Well Lux always was meant to be a support. If they decide to change her, let's hope she can get some good identity buffs.

HelpfulYordle1 votes

Yup ppl fail to realize she is classifed as mage/support not pure mage. They just focusing on her laning phase and damage compared to pure mages. She brings great zoning to teamfight's, an almost op shield, and still good-great dmg on squishies which you can hit from behind the safety of your team.

LoLKiru1 votes

I wouldn't say she should be inferior, but she REALLY needs to fill a different niche than him. Xerath's whole identity since he was created has been being the long range siege mage.

This is sort of the same problem she has with Ziggs, all 3 of them fill the same niche for whatever reason, so it comes down to whoever is better among them.

Edit: I would be completely fine with buffing her E to be able to clear caster minions easier.

It didn't occur to me that she offers more utility than Xerath until just now; given that Xerath's only real form of utility, is a single target that scales with distance (and even that is being nerfed next patch slightly if I recall)

Ardent Slurt1 votes

how is lux a safe champion she is one of the easiest champs to gank! her passive makes her get into range of many spells which sucks S:

She needs some buffs to compete against the other long range mages and I also think ziggs is in need of some buffs himself

darkdill1 votes

I wonder if giving Lux 600 attack range could be a nice change. Probably not, though; 600 range would be OP.

exiledFromBadmen1 votes

Waiting for KateyKhaos, the Protector of Lux

Imperial Japan1 votes

Omfg please no. Idk why but I just really hate lux. Ples Lux

Economicz1 votes

The increased cooldown on lux's ult was such a dumb nerf because it was a direct nerf to what makes her Lux

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