During his q animation he moves 20% slower. Or maybe make the cast time of his abilities longer. Lowering his damage slightly won't do jack. Edit: Look guys. This is why riot doesn't read gameplay and balance forums... Downvoting without proper reasoning is one of them.
Doctor Jarvis2 votesI still think its weird that he moves at full speed while channeling that ability. It just...LOOKS like he should move slower.
360D3GR3SS1 voteshonestly if they just reverted the recent changes to his Q he would be fine. (lower base damage and lower heal value back down to 10% of missing hp.
Critmaster Garen1 votesthats as bad as the self slow they had on garens spin. why would you make a kit thats basically fighting itself?
its like slapping a slow on an adc for auto attacking.
Toxic Samurai1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yl04F0PQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-06T04:06:34.032+0000)
thats as bad as the self slow they had on garens spin. why would you make a kit thats basically fighting itself?
its like slapping a slow on an adc for auto attacking.
No it's not a bad idea. If Darius is gonna be less of a lane bully then making him move slower mid q would incentivize him to use his e or w first before using q. This will make it so if Darius wants to harass his opponent he will have to commit which creates more opportunities for ganks and counterplay.
TrueNoxianWrath2 votesHe's already locked out of doing anything (besides using summoner spells because they fixed that) and now people would want him to be even more immobile? For ganks? If extends past the middle of the lane and his opponent has some cc to add to the gank he's dead if he doesn't have flash. Counterplay? He counterplays himself already if he uses his Q incorrectly at all. He gets destroyed 1v1 by any decent dueling champion in the game. Fizz Fiora Garen Olaf Tryndamere Yasuo Riven just sit on him if he uses his Q. And that is just naming the current popular ones.
Toxic Samurai1 votes[{quoted}](name=Azure Maho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yl04F0PQ,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-09-06T04:47:10.144+0000)
He's already locked out of doing anything (besides using summoner spells because they fixed that) and now people would want him to be even more immobile? For ganks? If extends past the middle of the lane and his opponent has some cc to add to the gank he's dead if he doesn't have flash. Counterplay? He counterplays himself already if he uses his Q incorrectly at all. He gets destroyed 1v1 by any decent dueling champion in the game. Fizz Fiora Garen Olaf Tryndamere Yasuo Riven just sit on him if he uses his Q. And that is just naming the current popular ones.
Lol that is not true. I've played Darius and I shit on most mobile duelists. The longer a fight lasts, the more powerful Darius becomes. He's too tanky to be bursted by one person so most duelists will have to fight him for a long time. U don't slug out fights with Darius, you will lose the fight. You beat him by weaving in and out of combat making it harder for him to get 5 stacks. I have laned against a Darius as Yasuo and did outplay him by using this tactic. I've also laned against Yasuo as Darius and destroyed him in lane. The problem in the laning phase is that Darius easily gets his Q off against most melee champs without any retaliation. The nerf I suggested would make Darius have to use his other abilities to trade which would allow more interaction between him and his opponent.
TrueNoxianWrath1 votes"just sit on him if he uses his Q" Should have been more specific my bad, Darius does always wins the war of attrition early. Yeah if the more mobile duelists are smart going in for their short burst damage trades after baiting his Q is how they win in the lane. However duelists that are hardier like Olaf with Black Cleaver or Tryndamere and Jax with BoTRK and their Ult's can just run down Darius and kill him easily.
Have you ever seen Hashinshin stream perhaps? He counterpicks Olaf with Ghost into Darius(and Garen btw) all the time. During the laning phase once he gets Black Cleaver he just fishes for an axe, pops his ult and maybe his ghost if he needs to turret dive and just kills the Darius for free. Like, every time, free kill, once he has ult back up.
Also I know this is somewhat "in the laning phase discusion" but this movespeed thing will apply to all stages in the game. In the late game don't underestimate the damage output of some of the mobile duelists like Yasuo, Riven and even Fizz, have especially once they have lifesteal items. They will chase down and tear down even true tanks easily 1v1. An immobile off tank like Darius? He will die, he will of course do more damage to them than a regular tank would, but he will die, without contest.
As for the landing constant Q's on some opponent's without any retaliation, well that could be many factors. They are unfamiliar with the skill, which is something that everyone needs to relearn now, both the people that play as and against Darius. Some champions can't avoid(or take advantage of) the skill easily as others, they are at a disadvantage, and may have been counterpicked. Some actually think of the team rather than their match up and pick champions based on that and that leaves them at a disadvantage. Or like most people right now downright refuse to pick smartly against some of the new champions and counterpick themselves. These things are ok to have in a game like this. Decimate may be on strong right now and is being looked at, the heal being reworked and the mana cost per rank will increase. So it wont be so spamable as much at lvl 9(when Q is at max) and the heal will be less impactfull in 1v1 or 1v2. This should help the melee match ups hopefully. (Its actually better in teamfights now that the heal cap is raised, which is better for the vision of Darius they have now.)
The skill is punishing to some melee champions yes, it is meant to be that way, getting close to him carelessly is BAD. It has more counterplay than its old form so there's that. His laning is many time's healthier than before from all over his kit towards melee champions. The Magic Damage Bleed is gone, so is the W attack speed debuff, and the E bug fix means he is less sticky and no more wasted flashes.
I'm sorry but putting a slow on the only way he trades well in lane to nerf his lane when he already suffers from mobility issues early is just sounds like a horrible idea to me. The Q fixes hopefully are enough for people to stop worrying about his already weaker laning phase.