You nerf Zed's ult to give the ability to respond, BUT NOT LEBLANCS DISTORTION?

Maikal··16 votes·1,368 views

PLEASE. Make leblanc unable to return to where she used distortion from for 1 second.

It was an unneeded change for Zed I feel because that was put on his long cooldown ultimate which means he's going to all in you, so you always have the opportunity to respond. You don't have to respond instantly as he comes out of death mark, he can't react fast enough to dodge a point blank skill shot with R unless he predicted it. And if he DID predict it, he should be able to dodge it, but obviously the most predictable thing is assuming they'll use it instantly as you come out of death mark.

Leblanc on the other hand, has uncounterable trade potential since she can q-w-w over creeps and you can't land skill shots unless you land it in the small window of milliseconds before she W's back, which means you basically have to cast it before she uses distortion since you have cast times. Not only does she have uncounterable trade potential, but it fucking hurts and takes away like 20 - 30% of your hp each time.

tl;dr first line.

19 Comments

Solidair35 votes

It was absolutely needed for zed.

Besides they'll give it to lb if it goes well for zed. Also: ban her or play her counters. It is not that hard.

Shifune2 votes

The reason people make these threads is because they don't know the Leblanc counters. Uncounterable trade potential? Never heard of it.

Maikal2 votes

Uncounterable trade potential = She does damage to you and you can't deal damage back without taking significantly more damage

Balance =/= Forced to pick, ban, or not pick mid until you see their mid so that you can counter pick with someone you may not have experience on.

Shifune3 votes

No champion in this game has "uncounterable trade potential." If you truly believe that, I think you need to find a new hobby. Can't deal damage back without taking significantly more damage?? I don't know what champions you are playing, but there are multiple champions who can out trade Leblanc.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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No champion in this game has "uncounterable trade potential." If you truly believe that, I think you need to find a new hobby. Can't deal damage back without taking significantly more damage?? I don't know what champions you are playing, but there are multiple champions who can out trade Leblanc.

You aren't meant to absolutely lose the lane due to champion select. You also can't "counter" if you are picking before your opponent. Champions have been nerfed before for being too obnoxious or too strong when their counters were not present.

Shifune1 votes

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You aren't meant to absolutely lose the lane due to champion select.

If you absolutely lose lane due to champion select, you probably weren't good enough at the role to begin with. Being countered doesn't mean that you automatically lose lane, it means that it will be harder for you to win lane. You make it sound like being countered by Leblanc automatically makes you lose, when in reality, that isn't the case at all. IE: Leblanc counters Orianna, but Orianna is one of my main picks INTO Leblanc. Why? Because I personally feel comfortable in that match up. At the end of the day, whether you lose lane or not isn't decided by champ select, it is the skill of the player. It may sound cliche, but it's the truth.

Stonington2 votes

Yeah, I think it was a bad call to change Zed's ult. There's a big difference though since Zed has a second instant mobility spell. So your analogy isn't really a good comparison.

Maikal1 votes

How isn't it a good comparison? Leblanc has 2 mobility spells, Zed has 2 mobility spells. The first part of Zed's W and Leblanc's W both have cast times, the 2nd part is an instant blink. They're similar in that respect but the reactivations have different effects, such that leblanc's reactivation resemble's Zed's ult rather than his W, which is why Leblanc is often referred to as the "AP Zed"

Martyrofsand2 votes

I would say its not a good comparison because Zed is untargetable when he ults meaning you can't intercept or throw a CC ability on him and by then its to late as he can just go back to his clone and do a ton of damage with his Q and E leaving you zero window with which to interact.

Leblanc is fully targetable during her distortion meaning if you throw any CC at her while she is in the middle of it she will end it locked down and allow you to do something to her. That Leblancs W is almost always forcasted by the cast of her Q gives you a nice heads up to react. Its a small difference between the two but it massively changes how you can play against them and it does make these kinds of comparisons much weaker than you realize.

Durzaka2 votes

Except LB's W is a basic ability and her only wave clear.

LB is a problem, and needs some kind of fix. But the only thing this change would do is literally delete her from the game. She would go down to win rates in the teens.

4fortytwo21 votes

Didnt they say they will watch how zed does with the change and after that consider doing the same thing to Leblanc? Riot is a bit slow some times maybe you will get your wish.

Pisdov1 votes

Annie has been broken for how long now? I don't think they prioritize well when it comes to what champions to balance.

Desiderium1 votes

They're using Zed as a guinea pig; testing whether the change works out well enough on Zed to do it on Leblanc, despite Leblanc's current state compared to Zed.

N3mO061 votes

they are trying it on Zed, If it will be a good nerf also Leblanc will be nerfed

SleepyLionCub1 votes

Someone doesnt know how to read red posts.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Let me quote myself here:

There are two things you need to do aganist LeBlanc:

  1. Stay on the edge of her Disortion range, so you can dodge it by simply moving backwards.
  2. Catch her while she's Disorting towards you. If she uses it to dodge something, she wastes a lot of damage, as such will use it damage you 95% of the time

I'll give you the rundown of all champions that I can think of that will help you with that.


Ahri timing Charm can be wonky, but can be used to negate Disortion. You can use ult to reposition basically negating everything that isn't Q or Q-R. Annie Obvious offender and anti-assassin. Just drop Tibbers on her face and she dies. Azir Well timed WE or R will neuter LB just as Ahri. Chogath Too tanky for her too kill and silence prevents her from running away. Fizz Trollpole - self explanatory Galio Is is even necessary to mention THE anti-mage? Lissandra Freeze her when she gets in range and shit on her. Lux Snare prevents her from recasting Disortion or using Mimicked one. Can be wonky, though. Malzahar QWER, send my best regards to your shopkeeper. Mordekaiser As mentioned. Get some MR LB is neutered with mere damage and tankiness. Riven Assuming you are one of those guys. Instant stun followed by a knockup and a shield on top of that. LB might run away, but she won't kill Riven. Ryze Not seen or player Ryze after his rework, but he still has his point'n'click root. Can't fail with that. Swain Possibly - never played Swain, but I assume his point'n'click damage and tankiness will make it hard for LB to do anything. Syndra My main and favourite pick aganist any LeBlanc. Stun the bitch when she dashes, drop the bass with the Force of Will, then ult her and walk away as gold is transfered to your account. Talon Wonky, but you can time Anklecut and dodge her Disortion at which point she'll either dash away with Mimic or die. Velkoz The Eyeball could work, but you need to save E for until she dashes, else you automatically lose. Vladimir Trollpool + outsustain her. Xerath Same as with Ahri, Lux and Syndra. Zed He can push her to the tower with ease and well timed Death Mark will negate a lot of LB's damage.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

This will happen to Le Blanc next. Zed may even see some buffs soon. Same with Le Blanc.

Surr20plz1 votes

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