When I play against people who are in silver, they never make any mistakes mechanically, they hit every skillshot and they make all the right decisions. I don't know if they really do or not, but that's how it seems to me. Am I wrong though? Are bronze and silver not really all that different?
Drehirth3 votesThanks for the laugh
Worst Kench NA1 votesThanks for the laugh
How is it a laugh? It may seem inconsequential for someone that's far above both elos, but there's a massive gap in skill between people that can make the right decisions and those that can't. I know my extremely poor decision making is why I'm still in bronze.
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It just seems that way from your perspective. Silver players are not that different from bronze players - but they are usually much better at one field of the game - so called "one-tricking" something. Everybody has something they are good at in the game - otherwise they probably wouldnt play ranked. Silver players are often decent duelists (aka winning lane in the first 10 minutes of the game), and in the recent season winning early often means winning the game as a whole.
So silvers don't necessarily work better in groups than bronzies do? The game that prompted this was one where over half the enemy team was silver, had near perfect communication when it came to lane ganks and barely ever missed a skillshot. It's a norm so I guess it could be down to them being a premade, but I didn't want to assume anything.
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YkLp5rLm,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-10-02T17:47:52.865+0000)
How is it a laugh?
Silver players constantly make tons of mechanical errors, although it is quite plausible that to a Bronze player it seems like Silver players never make mistakes.
NLGG3R BEATER1 votesThey can be mechanically good but you'll still encounter dumb shit like laners permapushing in lane without vision and blaming jungler or even extreme stuff like ADCs frontlining teamfights and blaming supports. When I got placed in browns 4 I treated my teammonkeys like actual meatshields and 1v9'd since they were oblivious to how retarded they actually are or just legit trolling.
When I reached silver people were just as bad but way more cocky resulting in extreme toxicity levels forcing me to /fullmute all every single game. At silver 1-2 I'd occasionally encounter few players who actually know what they are doing but it's mostly the same shit.
When I reached gold I'd consistently meet top laners with browns mechanics who'd go 0-7 in lane then blame jungle/afk/int etc.. Not to mention mid lane Zeds who keep ulting and full combo'ing the full hp top lane tank for some reason. Then I reached platinum and it was browns all over again.
I mean it can be relative but I doubt the difference is THAT huge especially if we're talking about low silver.
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When I play against people who are in silver, they never make any mistakes mechanically, they hit every skillshot and they make all the right decisions. I don't know if they really do or not, but that's how it seems to me. Am I wrong though? Are bronze and silver not really all that different?
As a Platinum player, it tends to vary more than you would think, I've met bronzies who put Platinums to shame. but there are some mainstays of each group.
Bronze players are still learning everything about the game. It takes a solid 50-100 games of league before you can really understand a lot of the basics about the game. They tend to excel at one thing, like CS or Skillshots, but lack in most other areas. You also get a lot of smurfs and players who are helping other friends get into the game, so it's one of the most 'wildcard' groups.
Silvers can generally get the core basics down, and start developing a sense of the meta, and start picking out favorite champions. They still lack some of the finer points of the game though - map awareness, lane pressure, power curves of champions. This is where they really start picking up on what's 'safe' and whats 'unsafe' .. Which is a critical skill to have, you know how sometimes you might want to save an ally, but only wind up getting yourself killed? That kind of skill.
Golds really start to shine, and have the basics down pat. Generally have runes and masteries down, start checking out enemies during pre-game, they understand how powerful champions can get and have respectable map awareness. Also pretty aware of the current meta and what champions are 'hot'. Golds tend to experiment the most with champions and builds, as they are figuring out exactly what works and why the meta is as it is. The only thing Golds haven't figured out is how much a single death costs them.
Platinums double down on the basics and commit to make far less mistakes in a game, as they are VERY aware of what a single mistake can mean. Essentially a refinement of gold-level play. Platinum players tend to fall into the 'meta' harder than all the groups, as they are always searching for advantages over other players, and know how to exploit those advantages.
Diamonds, those I have played with - tend to make almost no mistakes, and will only commit when they are confident they will come out on top. Diamond-tier play is where players start predicting their opponents moves before they even make them, like predicting a flash with a skillshot before the player has even hit the flash key. You start to see the meta in full swing here, as anything outside of it that isn't up to a good performance bar is cut out completely.
Frontline Fury1 votesIt just seems that way from your perspective. Silver players are not that different from bronze players - but they are usually much better at one field of the game - so called "one-tricking" something. Everybody has something they are good at in the game - otherwise they probably wouldnt play ranked. Silver players are often decent duelists (aka winning lane in the first 10 minutes of the game), and in the recent season winning early often means winning the game as a whole.
Do not think they dont make mistakes, however. Everybody does. The thing is, when you cant see their mistakes you cant use them to your advantage - thus they get time to right their mistakes before it brings them down.
From a high plat / low diamond rank perspective - Silver and Bronze are ALMOST identical, except that bronze players in my opinion tend to tilt a lot easier and give up very easily. Once they decide something in their mind they block out all other possibilities, effectively losing games mentally before they are anywhere near lost.
Also, they dont really pay attention to other players - which is why you will often see a 0/2 master yi ult into a 6/0 Yasuo just to get blown up without understand anything that just happened.
Silver players are usually good duelists but dont actually know what to do outside of lane. One thing that always frustrates duelists - grouping as 5. Try grouping up and using your numbers to your advantage as fast as possible. Once the first tower falls, the player in the lane with that tower can make an attempt at ganking other lanes and taking their towers as well. If you get a kill on an enemy laner they will likely become frustrated and play much worse. Best case for you - they cry out to your lane opponent, beginning the tilt wars where the enemy team eats itself from the inside out.
Kovorix1 votesA few weeks ago I played my bronze 1 smurf to gold 5 and tbh between high bronze and mid gold there isn't any difference in player skill. The only thing that increases is the actual gameknowledge: when to roam, focus more on objectives.
DeathBurst1 votesImplying knowledge and decision making isn't part of skills... I mightily disagree.
DeathBurst1 votes"Gods" is a strong word, but yes, Silvers are vastly better than Bronze. Bronze is (roughly) the bottom 30% of players, and Silvers are (roughly) the next 40%.
That means a Silver3 is somewhere in the top50% of players, whereas even a Bronze 1 is barely in the top65%. With a 15% difference, of course a Silver will be much better.
Now, when you say "hit every skillshot and make all the right decisions", that's becoming a tad ridiculous. Even Diamond can't do that, let alone Silvers. They just hit more skillshots than Bronze, and make better decisions than Bronze, but it's only relative.
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When I play against people who are in silver, they never make any mistakes mechanically, they hit every skillshot and they make all the right decisions. I don't know if they really do or not, but that's how it seems to me. Am I wrong though? Are bronze and silver not really all that different?
Please tell me this a troll post. Silvers are pretty bad mechanically and they consistently make bad decisions.
Worst Kench NA1 votesPlease tell me this a troll post. Silvers are pretty bad mechanically and they consistently make bad decisions.
Yes, but how am I supposed to tell when I'm not as skilled as they are? That's my point, they make fewer mistakes than I do in a setting where I can't really tell what's a mistake and what isn't, so they look like gods from my perspective. Much like someone in plat would look like a god to someone in silver.