@Riot any reason why AD assassins get a new item to counter mages???

L0ve Is Blue·Oct 18, 2016·3 votes·768 views

Like maw wasn't effective enough, you can now buy this better version of banshee on a 30 second cooldown.

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Buy this with maw and you won't have any problem with magic damage all game.

Meanwhile zhonya is the only armor option for mages and its active is on a 120 second cooldown. I can counter an assassins ult every 2 minutes, they can block mine every 30 seconds+ have a shield against my burst. Any reason for this? Assassins already counter mages very good why do they need a new item to do that? And will mages get any new item to deal with the situation? Or a buff to zhonya?

26 Comments

RabblerouserOct 18, 20163 votes

So you can nerf item 3139 item 3140 because it's not fair to assassins, but then we get this shit which can outright block?

At least Merc didn't negate the damage. The hypocrisy is STUPID.

The only thing that makes this even remotely balanceable is the channel time.

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

item 3157 and item 3139 , two of the only items for squishies to counter assassins get nerfed and then they shit this brand new item for assassins to counter squishies... Nice...

The12thman94Oct 18, 20162 votes

This does seem strong but did you see they changed Maw so that it builds out of Warhammer not Dirk so that assassins won't want to build it.

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

if it's not assassins then it's going to be bruisers getting item 3102 item 3156 + new item and invalidate magic damage as much as a full MR Galio.

AcidTheWarlockOct 18, 20162 votes

Unless they build tank with armor they'll be really weak to AD tho

AstôlfoOct 18, 20162 votes

On a completely separate coincidence, OP is a mage main.

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

Yep. And I'm already pretty fucking bored of having to play passive the whole laning face everytime I'm facing an ad assassin and I can't see why they need a new tool to counter the champions they already counter.

AstôlfoOct 18, 20162 votes

You realize Edge of Night is extremely expensive? And yes, they can move while channeling, but there will almost certainly be a channeling animation for said spellshield creation, which will take 1.5 seconds. That's a fairly long time. The cooldown being that low is a bit iffy (I think 60s would be better honestly), but meh. And you do realize this is all still entirely PBE? Meaning any necessary numbers can get tweaks?

It's the same as any other spellshield concept. Don't blow your ultimate or other important abilities while it's up. Since your enemy laner is an assassin, respect that and play safer while it is up? Or just hit them in the face before they finish channeling?

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

You already need to play safe when laning against an assassin since they can blow you up if you try anything. Now they can wait a 1,5 second and shit you over while you can't do anything unless you have a free spell to pop their spell shield while they jump on you AND be able to kill them before they do.

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

If you think that, you're playing against them wrong.

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

How do you play against an assassin then? You leggit HAVE to play safe. If you get in poke range you are close enough for them to get to you and they can out trade you any time. The only thing you can do is hope they use their dash for something else than jumping on you or use it badly and then you can TRY something.

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

Their early waveclear is horribly shit, as it's meant to be, with the exception of like, Zed. Every other assassin has either terrible waveclear or needs to burn an important killing-spell to waveclear in early. You're not supposed to be winning against them in early. That's the whole point. They are meant to be stronger in early/mid. You are a mage. Almost all mages in the game are ones meant to scale into the lategame for massive AP AoE damage/utility/CC otherwise/etc.

And junglers do exist.

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

Junglers are not a counter to a champion, if so the concept of counter wouldn'T exist since every game has 2 junglers. And assassins are strong at every stage of the game.

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

Uh, no.

Assassins have weak laning phases and are easily abusable if you'd ask the damn jungler to help, because their only gapcloser ability (aka, the one they should be forced to burn to kill you) is also their only escape spell, meaning if you bait them into it or they use it for whatever reason, they are now entirely vulnerable to ganks. Also, lane freezing does exist, believe it or not.

And no, assassins are not strong at every stage of the game. That just goes to show how little you know.

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

So assassins are weak early game but also strong early game? Can you make up your mind?

their only gapcloser ability

Zed Fizz Ekko Diana Leblanc Akali Elise here is a list of assassin/ assassin-ish champions that all have more than 1 dash in their kit and for 5 out of 7, can use one of these dashes to escape, meaning they have enough mobility to go on you and go away in one rotation of spell.

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

It'd help if you could actually learn to read. ;) Their early waveclear is weak as shit. Their earlygame/midgame roaming and killing potential is quite strong.

And just about every single mage has some sort of ability and/or CC that they can punish said assassin with if they try to do that shit in early when the mage is actually playing intelligently and not pushing too far out and just asking to be killed because they decided to not respect the assassin's kill potential.

EDIT: ayylmao qq downvoting all my posts

MohawkBirdOct 18, 20162 votes

I really hate the mage circlejerk.

LadyRenlyOct 18, 20162 votes

so against ap mids, you can just build maw, merc and this? lol

AstôlfoOct 18, 20161 votes

Yeah lemme just get that 7350 gold sometime in laning phase, yup. Also, let's just forget that Maw is now building off Hammer instead of Dirk. (AKA, no armorpen anymore)

paperbIadeOct 18, 20161 votes

because mages are the best class right

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

Classes are all good and bad against other classes. Mages will always have a dissadvantage against mobiles champions (aka assassins) since they are usualy skillshot based, and I don't see why we need to give them even more tools to counter mages when their goal should be to take down squishy targets, not counter magic damage based kits since they already have the tools to do so.

paperbIadeOct 18, 20161 votes

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Classes are all good and bad against other classes. Mages will always have a dissadvantage against mobiles champions (aka assassins) since they are usualy skillshot based, and I don't see why we need to give them even more tools to counter mages when their goal should be to take down squishy targets, not counter magic damage based kits since they already have the tools to do so.

item 3135 to counter mr :D

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

Void staff doesn'T counter spellshields and magic damage shields.

paperbIadeOct 18, 20161 votes

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Void staff doesn'T counter spellshields and magic damage shields.

still shred their mr

L0ve Is BlueOct 18, 20161 votes

u dont say :o

paperbIadeOct 18, 20161 votes

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u dont say :o

and they have the best items