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The mid/jungle duo nerfs typify everything wrong with this game's design philosophy

Risen29·7/1/2018, 3:03:02 PM·4 votes·2,290 views

I can imagine klaxons blaring and red lights going off at riot HQ with a flashing sign that said "Meta violated, Meta violated. Launch immediate counter strike".

I never used any of these strategies. Nunu/kathus or Yi/Taric, or the like. But I did face them. However I came to the same conclusion as LS in facing them that they weren't unbeatable or even unreasonable. LS went as far as to say it was a lot easier to shut down than it was to execute successfully.

The only thing these strategies proved was that skilled players who are coordinating to a high degree are more than low elo players can handle. It also proved that players get flustered when they face something new and don't know what to do. None of that really has any bearing on whether these strategies were inherently broken.

25:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Ts3jWuf44

The philosophy of Riot is to baby the players and nerf the game around their inability or unwillingness to adapt. That's the fundamental problem.

You can't have an interesting strategy game that is fun to watch, let alone play, if your philosophy towards the game is to hammer down anything that sticks out too far from your predetermined position system with your predetermined team strategy.

23 Comments

Eleshakai7/1/2018, 3:27:47 PM2 votes

Riot is not trying to destroy the changes to the bot lane, so clearly the problem is not 'meta violated'.

The problem is that playing against these strategies is NOT FUN. I have not encountered a single person who enjoys playing against funnels due to the reduction in interactivity and the 'time bomb' feeling it builds. Riot is trying to maintain funnels as a possible strategy while reducing the frequency with which it is the optimal strategy.

Risen297/1/2018, 7:24:03 PM1 votes

Your hypothetical argument is a waste of time because the entire strategy was suboptimal to begin with. It was never going to replace the standard set up.

That's also why it had no business being nerfed. You are only arbitrarily limiting the amount of strategic expression allowed to players for the sake of appeasing whiners who don't want to put out the effort to grow and adapt.

bunnφ7/3/2018, 12:20:16 PM1 votes

Its fun to play a game. But fun feels different to every person.

Others Love interactiv laning, others farming, others supporting, others winning at any Cost, others just want to be a nightmare for the Enemy. And many more..

Some are more into Poking, others wanna 100-0 someone,

others just want to help their mates with shield Or heals, others just want cc or set the engange. Etc, etc

But we do this for success, and the success is like the fun, Different ppl have other perspectives.

Singed did double sometimes even tripple proxy. Fun? Sometimes. Worth? Sometimes Depends on the execute.

If the Game or the strategy isnt fun, stop Playing. U get nothing out the effort u put into such Games. U dont Need to play it.

Others get Money out of playing, and winning is cash. And for the Victory u Need zu work.

Work always fun? No (no matter of its a Game any other to do) Worth? Sometimes

Funnel is a strategy. Maybe the Same what botlane doing for seasons. Feed the stronger Part. But in this case with even more Monsters and gold to collect(Jungle+lane)

You just could give adcs 2 Lanes to farm. Maybe they could Hit their Powerspike earlyer in the Game to ne relevant sooner in this mess of a Meta. Oder take 2 junglers. To farm the Enemy Jungle While he is in midlane.

But its hard to organize such Things, u Need your whole Team for it. Just becouse 2 enemys Stick together for a Funnel strategy.

But its Easyer to bitch around, couz everyone does it nowadays.

So much for riot to react to it and destroy every meta Shift, like everytime. It feels like Riot is denying every off meta they did Not made themselfes. Caster varus mid, ap Lucian, Ziggs bot. Its get nerfd or the counterpart buffed.

Graves reworked, wrecking lanes was Great in Jungle aswell, nerfed lane, pushed jungle.

They want diversity, teamplay, strategy.

But are killing Most of the Champs diversity and push them into specific playstyles.

Its a 5v5 Game. But towers are Papier, everyone Can Siege them couz ap Counts to towerdmg, or with runes. And everyone can 100-0 its just who can do it faster and safer.

Every New strategy mostly get nerfed to unviability.

But yeah i dont like the Funnel yi but actually everyone can do it.

ApollyonBainer7/4/2018, 7:28:34 PM1 votes

Honestly I tried the mid jg gold funnel strat. It really doesnt work too well if your whole team isnt on the same page. It also leaves the support with just about nothing for gold. So its hard to make it worth your while. Idk its fun and interesting and worth trying but for me and my elo its just too much to handle properly