Damage creep is undeniably real.

Irelia Bot·Dec 22, 2018·6 votes·2,613 views

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The fact that they are even considering this shows just how of control damage creep is.

15 Comments

chipndip1Dec 22, 20187 votes

"Oh shit, this 5k gold item that won't be completed until I finished nearly 2 items for myself is the DEFINITION OF DAMAGE"

Don't get me wrong, it's a stupid idea, but it's stupid for other reasons...not necessarily "damage creep".

Tahminatrix Dec 22, 20181 votes

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"Oh shit, this 5k gold item that won't be completed until I finished nearly 2 items for myself is the DEFINITION OF DAMAGE"

Don't get me wrong, it's a stupid idea, but it's stupid for other reasons...not necessarily "damage creep".

Exactly, they are just buffing adcs late game by giving them shitloads of more slot efficiency. Imagine ornn upgrading the 5k infinity edge, its plain silly and it doesn't even give adc players what they wanted, to be useful earlier.

saltranDec 22, 20182 votes

{quoted}

"Oh shit, this 5k gold item that won't be completed until I finished nearly 2 items for myself is the DEFINITION OF DAMAGE"

Don't get me wrong, it's a stupid idea, but it's stupid for other reasons...not necessarily "damage creep".

I mean, for lategame it would be a clear example of dmg creep because an adc with 6 items that one is a 5k item sure would deal more dmg that an adc now.

Critmaster GarenDec 23, 20181 votes

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"Oh shit, this 5k gold item that won't be completed until I finished nearly 2 items for myself is the DEFINITION OF DAMAGE"

Don't get me wrong, it's a stupid idea, but it's stupid for other reasons...not necessarily "damage creep".

item 3031 + completed item 3086 item = 6100+ gold for the same stats as this 5k infinity edge, while theyre currently using a similar build path

whats the difference except that this i.e. is more than 1000 gold cheaper than the current i.e. + zeal and has the stats of 2 items in 1 slot?

so yes, damage creep pretty much. not just at 6 items but already at 2 items now compared to 1 after this would hit live.

chipndip1Dec 23, 20181 votes

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+ completed item = 6100+ gold for the same stats as this 5k infinity edge, while theyre currently using a similar build path

whats the difference except that this i.e. is more than 1000 gold cheaper than the current i.e. + zeal and has the stats of 2 items in 1 slot?

so yes, damage creep pretty much. not just at 6 items but already at 2 items now compared to 1 after this would hit live.

Compare this newly proposed IE to the old IE before these changes. It had like 20% crit and like 70 AD for about 3.4k gold or so? In comparison, THIS IE has 30% more crit and 10 more AD...for like 1.6k more gold than THAT version of IE. This is assuming they even use this version of IE and not the other one.

So instead of having nearly 2 completed items by the time you're done with the IE 5k model, you're spending that gold value on the same item...and for what? 10 more AD and some crit? You'd have that crit if you were working on your Zeal item, anyway, and to boot, you'd have the effects the Zeal item would give you, like charged AAs with range or wave clear.

So I guess you'd say this is damage creep in comparison to the current IE, but everyone hates the current IE and wants it reverted. So if we're damage creeping, don't blame Riot. Riot made this IE to stop marksmen from bursting people at 2 items. If people think that's a problem, you're promoting damage creep, if we're being honest.

Critmaster GarenDec 23, 20181 votes

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Compare this newly proposed IE to the old IE before these changes. It had like 20% crit and like 70 AD for about 3.4k gold or so? In comparison, THIS IE has 30% more crit and 10 more AD...for like 1.6k more gold than THAT version of IE. This is assuming they even use this version of IE and not the other one.

So instead of having nearly 2 completed items by the time you're done with the IE 5k model, you're spending that gold value on the same item...and for what? 10 more AD and some crit? You'd have that crit if you were working on your Zeal item, anyway, and to boot, you'd have the effects the Zeal item would give you, like charged AAs with range or wave clear.

So I guess you'd say this is damage creep in comparison to the current IE, but everyone hates the current IE and wants it reverted. So if we're damage creeping, don't blame Riot. Riot made this IE to stop marksmen from bursting people at 2 items. If people think that's a problem, you're promoting damage creep, if we're being honest.

reverting the current i.e. is impossible without reverting every single marksman kit buff since patch 8.11

a lot of marksmen received multiple significant buffs in a row since the patch dropped, as a response to how it affected the different champions.

if youd just revert to the old i.e., not only did you not fix all of the problems with marksmen back then, and the reasons why these changes were made in the first place, but you would make them even stronger than they have ever been.

chipndip1Dec 23, 20181 votes

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reverting the current i.e. is impossible without reverting every single marksman kit buff since patch 8.11

a lot of marksmen received multiple significant buffs in a row since the patch dropped, as a response to how it affected the different champions.

if youd just revert to the old i.e., not only did you not fix all of the problems with marksmen back then, and the reasons why these changes were made in the first place, but you would make them even stronger than they have ever been.

Exactly

Tahminatrix Dec 22, 20184 votes

5k wtf riot, gimme an item 3143 that's worth 4.5k and item 3110 that's worth 7k so I can have any hopes of not being deleted by an adc.

Pandemic PunchDec 22, 20183 votes

The combine cost is only 1100 and all of those items you buy in the process are cost efficient.

Tahminatrix Dec 22, 20184 votes

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The combine cost is only 1100 and all of those items you buy in the process are cost efficient.

Even worse lol. How will we survive against that.

New item 3143 built by combining item 3082 item 1031 item 1011 xD

WeenswDec 23, 20181 votes

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5k wtf riot, gimme an that's worth 4.5k and that's worth 7k so I can have any hopes of not being deleted by an adc.

Even if Riot give us a 4.5 gold or 7k gold defensive item. Defensive items in general are all cost inefficient while offense items in general are almost always cost efficient. The 4.5 or 7k gold defensive items will probably suck.

Tahminatrix Dec 24, 20181 votes

I already thought about that lol, That's why we need 2 expensive defensive items with one of them costing even more than infinity edge.

ParoeDec 24, 20181 votes

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Even if Riot give us a 4.5 gold or 7k gold defensive item. Defensive items in general are all cost inefficient while offense items in general are almost always cost efficient. The 4.5 or 7k gold defensive items will probably suck.

New tank itemization: You can add item 3193 to every tank item as an augment to give it +40armor/MR + an additional 40 resistances when nearby 3 or more enemy champions! :P