Is Shaco's passive a case of "toxic, but permitted"?

darkdill··2 votes·364 views

Think of Backstab this way: Do you stand your ground and die, or run and die faster? Pretty lose-lose with confusing counterplay. And due to it being so wonky, you don't actually know if Backstab will apply when he hits you from the SIDE.

Yet Riot seems silent on whether or not this passive is something they want to keep or not.

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Akenero1 votes

Fiora Passive marker could help with clarity, but generally, you want to fight shaco, you'll either kill him, waste his summoners, or nearly kill him.

darkdill1 votes

Here's the issue, though: What if you want to kite him? You run a huge risk of taking Backstab damage.

DrCyanide1 votes

He has 1 ranged spell. Turn when that comes at you, kite the rest. Maybe take something to stop the slow.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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Fiora Passive marker could help with clarity, but generally, you want to fight shaco, you'll either kill him, waste his summoners, or nearly kill him.

Shaco never fights fair, and usually when a Shaco comes to kill you, it's because he's ganking you. Fighting a 1v2 if you're not a sufficiently beefy Darius or Renekton is usually suicidal.

Also, waste what summoners? The smite that he is using to help kill you, or maybe the ignite that he is also using to help kill you? These summoners are used to kill you, if he kills you, it's not a waste.

Akenero1 votes

If you're kiting him, you're going to take more damage, yes. Depending on mechanics, kiting him can be super safe, or suicide.

JayHog19921 votes

Try to kite him, use some CC on him if you can, if all fails, fight to the death. If he's wounded, he won't show up to gank again anytime soon.

Kr1sys1 votes

{quoted}

Think of Backstab this way: Do you stand your ground and die, or run and die faster? Pretty lose-lose with confusing counterplay. And due to it being so wonky, you don't actually know if Backstab will apply when he hits you from the SIDE.

Yet Riot seems silent on whether or not this passive is something they want to keep or not.

Riot is dead silent on anything regarding Shaco. They know he needs a gameplay update, but have been unwilling to devote the resources needed to do that and keep the champion's appeal to the core player base.

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