Verdict on the Rylais changes

Malicious Metal··6 votes·930 views

So, I've been playing with the new Rylais on the live servers for a while now and I've got a mixed bag of emotions regarding the change.

Pros: -Cheaper, means it's easier to get even when behind -It's a lot less opressive due to the lower slow and AP being reduced -Makes fighting spammy mages not as unbearable (looking at you Cass')

Cons: -The lower slow makes catching people a lot harder, especially with 325 base MS -The stat reduction kinda hurts come mid and late game -The build path is icky because you're left sitting on a item 1028

Overall I feel the changes hit the mark, by tackling a lot of its problems like the high slow amount, the heavy AP that was slapped on top of the hp and generally making it less desirable on champs who do not really need the slow to function.

On the flipside it has become a lot harder to catch people with Mordekaiser since I no longer get the 40% Slow. If the enemy got tier 2 boots or some form of MS item/mobility you won't be able to force a fight and stick on them.

So yeah, overall more pros than cons but nothing a quick look at Morde can't fix. Overall a good way to tackle Rylais' issues while not screwing its intended users totally over.

13 Comments

Big Lincoln3 votes

mord should have 350 ms

Zane Zephyr2 votes

Morde can't have any reasonably high base MS because of how is kit is, especially with his current iteration of his Q

No way he can have high MS so he can't go around hawking everyone down and destroying them with his Q before they can do anything about it

Malicious Metal2 votes

He already has piss poor AS and MS stats, he was balanced 110% around Rylais and sticking to people is nigh impossible now if they have even ONE form of speedup or soft cc

Big Lincoln1 votes

he needs 400 base MS

Alex h87211 votes

Sion ult base ms imo

agbudar1 votes

he was build and balanced around having a support AND a rylai

he basically never goes botlane these days.

Sona x Rubick1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ybf3jKJO,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-07T13:45:31.033+0000)

-The stat reduction kinda hurts come mid and late game

New Rylai is a gamble on morde, either you get it at 6 min and destroy people, or you're left with a 300 hp 75 ap item.

I can't test the changes, but i forsee my games of morde being decided at the first 10 min of the game

Miror B1 votes

Yeah, I actually tried out mordy mid in my fill-only flex thing and the old rylai's seemed "too good" on him (mind you, this was against an enemy team who had fervor TF and lost two ranged lanes to melee characters). The extra 100AP like 15mins into the game meant that the e would be able to 1-shot the caster minions while also killing off the melee's if I hit them once (kinda like viktor's laser after the first upgrade). If I get mid again I'll see for myself whether they were "too harsh", as the game itself was rather interesting even if I was facing 1 competent player on a 5-person team.

FantasySniper1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ybf3jKJO,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-07T13:45:31.033+0000)

The build path is icky

Which is why they should honestly have two ruby crystals.

xBushx1 votes

Raising MS of the Rylais abuse cases that NEEDED the item is systemically the easiest way to keep them relevant.

Escheton1 votes

It gave the warm fuzzy Season 4 Singed feels. So I for one am all for it.

Celeste Benal1 votes

This change is silly. This is almost exactly what Rylai's used to be and no one used it because ti just wasn't enough. With the mid-season mage changes, Rylai's got a huge buff that made it actually good to use. Now Riot is nerfing it back to what it used to be? I'm not seeing the logic.

Btw, since Rylai's is essentially getting reverted, can Karthus get his W slow back? He's been in the dumpster ever since.

Mordepool1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Celeste Benal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ybf3jKJO,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-12-07T17:38:10.331+0000)

This change is silly. This is almost exactly what Rylai's used to be and no one used it because ti just wasn't enough. With the mid-season mage changes, Rylai's got a huge buff that made it actually good to use. Now Riot is nerfing it back to what it used to be? I'm not seeing the logic.

Btw, since Rylai's is essentially getting reverted, can Karthus get his W slow back? He's been in the dumpster ever since.

It never used to be this stop spreading lies. It had more 500 hp 70 ap and 30% slows. How the fuck is that similar to this gutted piece we have now

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