What is Riots hard-on for True Damage?

Ok, so "All champions with X mechanic have been problematic at some point in League" is a stupid argument, because by that argument nearly every mechanic in league is bad and should never be used

True damage in particular makes very little sense to hate on, because it's an easily balanced mechanic with a well defined use case.

there's nothing wrong with true damage

I'm like 60% sure syndra is getting true damage in the pbe...

True damage and extreme mobility fucked this game so hard I can barely enjoy any more...

It's pretty obnoxious that defensive items become worse and worse, which the Marksman update overtuned the hell out of ADC items, too. True damage is just one more thing to invalidate your gold value.

1. I don't think has been that much of a problem, but then there's so I get where you're coming from

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Every single champ that has true damage in their kit has been a MAJOR issue at some point of league.

Terrible argument.

Literally every champion has been a MAJOR issue at some point in League.... even Urgot.

True damage isn't a problem.

It exists so that a champ can still deal reasonable damage to hard targets (tanks) without turning soft targets into a fine red mist. Percent HP damage follows more or less the same pattern, though it's more suited for dropping high HP Juggernauts who typically have lower resists.

%HP true damage exists for the purpose of being target agnostic. It deals equivalent damage to everyone.

It usually isn't the true damage that is the issue. It's other aspects of the champion combined with the true damage that is the issue.

For Rek'sai, it is her map control, counter-jungling, mobility, and reliable CC.

For Vayne, it's always been her self-peel and late game hyper-carry status being achieved too easily, allowing her to safely engage you every single time you walk near her.

For Darius, it's been the way that he essentially automatically wins every melee matchup.

For Camille, it's that her base stats are through the roof and she is way too tanky for the mobility and damage she has. (She's overtuned at the moment, though her kit is designed in a rather healthy way).

The biggest problem with True damage is that it's impossible to build against, especially when it's a % like Vayne or Fiora. You can have 9k health and you will still get chunked between the crits and % max health true damage.

I feel like true damage is meant to stabilize damage. Like, it prevents it from being too low so you're always relevant. It also prevents it from being too high. Or at least, it should, and that should be its trade-off. I don't understand why true damage can scale with AD/AP. It should scale with level.

Build health to counter flat true damage.

? did the reworked fiora have problems?

what about ? ok wait he still has a major issue! He still cant eat all 5 enemys at once :'C Riot pls! Give him an Aoe OMNOMNOMNOMNOM! xD That would be hilarious! xD

They like the idea of giving champs true damage so that they can deal with squishies and tanks, but are supposed to not be able to burst down either. Unfortunately, the numbers are usually overtuned and it ends up working the opposite way they intended.

True dmg should be reworked out of the game. Champs with mixed ad/ap damage is hard enough to deal with

seem pretty balanced.

all hail the 1 true damage trundle

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Every single champ that has true damage in their kit has been a MAJOR issue at some point of league.

Hello there. Even though kog has true damage the true damage has never been one of his issues.

Also name a champion who in general hasnt ever been a problem at some point in league the list is short as hell.

As pointed out by others on this thread, "X is unhealthy because every champion with X has had issues" isn't really a great argument, because the same can be said for literally any mechanic in the game, since practically every champion has had some major balance or design issues at some point in their development. However, Camille's release makes me question the larger purpose of target-agnostic damage: up until now, it was given in large amounts only to light fighters and juggernauts, due to their relatively poor target access, and a select few other champions. However, Camille is a champion with excellent target access, and her reveal describes her as someone who gets to choose exactly who she gets to fight. Why does she get to damage tanky opponents about as much as squishies? If the goal is for her to deal meaningful damage to durable top laners, what even is the purpose of being tanky in that case?

Beyond the overuse of true damage, maximum health damage and resistance bypasses, I think the reason behind it is likely that tank builds aren't scaling in the right way, and would likely dominate too hard without all the direct counters to them. Flat health and even resists can provide huge increases in durability in the early game, and thereby cause tanks to become too difficult to dislodge, especially since their items have been made increasingly cheaper to obtain, and therefore easier to rush. This can be clearly seen with abusers like Yasuo and Ekko before him, both of whom aren't meant to be tanky, yet manage to make such good use of the raw statistical power in tanky itemization that they quickly become excessively difficult to kill, while dealing a lot of free damage. Tanky itemization needs an update that should a) make it truly work only on tanks and fighters, with mages getting health and resists in acceptable amounts, and b) allow tanky champions to scale properly without having anti-tank counters as the only way to stop them from snowballing.

This has been suggested before, but if stats from itemization amplified base stats, instead of just adding flat stats, given the right stat adjustments, tanks and fighters could naturally get more durable, but at a pace that would prevent them from ever snowballing out of control, which would allow anyone to deal significant damage against them early on, even without target-agnostic damage, without them needing to get hurt as bad as squishies. Ultimately, the goal of any tanky champion should be to force opponents to spend more time trying to kill them, even if they're facing a light fighter or a marksman, and I feel that if every DPS-based champion needs some additional means of dealing with tanks beyond their natural strength against the class, there's likely an issue with an underlying system that true/max health damage is only papering over.

Every single champ that has true damage in their kit has been a MAJOR issue at some point of league.

doesn't mean the problem was true damage

Champions with True Damage.

Every champion has true damage, these are the only champions anyone plays.

It should be noted that your right they did have balance problems with some of these but Vel'koz for example has arguably the most true damage out of all them yet he's never really been busted beyond belief.

I do think that juggernauts for example shouldn't have true damage buuut i can't help it.

i only have a problem with vaynes true damage, because its too easily accessable and has too little counterplay.

she just has to do what she does anyways as an adc. auto attack the target in front of her. on top of that, its rather excessive, since she can immediately trigger it by auto attacking + q auto attack reset + e on a target. she doesnt even have to dps for it. she can add it to short poke trades.

every other champion who has significant true damage available is very restricted by the conditions to apply it. which means itemization counters are replaced by gameplay counters and the ability to deny that damage.

darius needs to get to 5 bleed stacks, fioras vitals are telegraphing her movement, velkoz ult is possible to move out of (though i seriously take issue with the fact that it slows), garen has to fight a specific target and even then, it is either just a small supplement of 10% over 3 seconds on his spin, with 6 second windos in between, or requires the villain to be below a certain health threshold to be fully effective.