Sion needs a buff

FireDrizzle·Jun 2, 2019·6 votes·2,624 views

Ad Sion is ok but the passive could do with a small nerf early and adjusting so it doesnt do 0 dmg lategame. Tank sion is trash because tanks other than Tahm are unplayable top, even Nautilus. Sion Q is nerfed hard in the early levels, look at a fully charged Q rank 1 and it does mediocre damage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UNseDHLiCk Vladimir Q auto does more damage that a fully charged Q and the Sion Q is hard too fully charge unless from a bush. Another issue is you can flash out of channeled Sion autos 95% of the time.

18 Comments

XavanicJun 2, 20193 votes

Let's not buff an already strong lane bully...please

FireDrizzleJun 2, 20193 votes

He is only played by mains and doesnt have 50 wr, with his no dmg q he is only a lane bully for Wukong players or bad players.

XavanicJun 2, 20191 votes

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He is only played by mains and doesnt have 50 wr, with his no dmg q he is only a lane bully for Wukong players or bad players.

i beg to differ, level 2 onwards even darius seems to struggle against his dmg, yes he falls off later on due to his transition to tank, but his dmg in lane is insane atm and doesn't need buffs, not unless your planning to lower teh dmg of his w, or increase the time it takes to charge q, since atm most champs cant escape an E Q combo due to his q only taking 0.75 seconds to fully charge

FireDrizzleJun 2, 20193 votes

Darius is a bad matchup for sion because his E cancels sion Q and he is anti tank. Excepting camp it is a bad Darius that loses too Sion.

"but his dmg in lane is insane atm and doesn't need buffs" Have you seen that frst 10 seconds of the video i linked?

"not unless your planning to lower teh dmg of his w, or increase the time it takes to charge q, " Unless sion maxes w it pops very quickly, and if he maxes w his q does no damage.

"since atm most champs cant escape an E Q combo due to his q only taking 0.75 seconds to fully charge" What are you even talking about? it takes 2 seconds too fully charge Q and E is a skillshot.

XavanicJun 2, 20191 votes

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Darius is a bad matchup for sion because his E cancels sion Q and he is anti tank. Excepting camp it is a bad Darius that loses too Sion.

"but his dmg in lane is insane atm and doesn't need buffs" Have you seen that frst 10 seconds of the video i linked?

"not unless your planning to lower teh dmg of his w, or increase the time it takes to charge q, " Unless sion maxes w it pops very quickly, and if he maxes w his q does no damage.

"since atm most champs cant escape an E Q combo due to his q only taking 0.75 seconds to fully charge" What are you even talking about? it takes 2 seconds too fully charge Q and E is a skillshot.

And yet darius still tends to struggle early due to sion just bullying him out of lane

His E gives him a fairly large amount of armor shred, plus he hit a vlad, vlad is rather tanky even early on

Sion doesn't need to activate it when the fight starts, he can walk into brush and start it, popping it once its ready and dealing a hefty amount of dmg

Sion gets nearly full dmg plus knock up after 0.75, anything longer is typically a waste, as for his E, yes it's a skill shot, but its a rather large skill shot that goes through minions, meaning it's deceptively easy to hit in lane

As for maxing E, you actually don't lose a lot of dmg, esp since you can run comet to deal a ton of dmg, all from the safety of your own backline, while Q is optimal, E is still an effective max

Overall, i think the problem here is your wanting to play sion has an AD assassin when his tools for doing so are rather lack luster, sion does far more the reasonable dmg for a tank when built tank, and with increased resistance's now a days, most cheese builds like AD sion are unlikely to be consistent, basically outside of cheesing bushes or getting occasional jungle ult, he really doesn't do much

FireDrizzleJun 2, 20192 votes

Sion gets knockup after 1 full second, you dont know anything about sion or even the game so im leaving it at that.

XavanicJun 2, 20191 votes

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Sion gets knockup after 1 full second, you dont know anything about sion or even the game so im leaving it at that.

sure as hell feels like 0.75, but clearly your suffering from rank delusion, since your a higher rank you believe i know nothing, sion is a champ that's supposed to not die, not deal tons of dmg, so of course when your building him damage based he feels weaker then most other damage dealers, it's like playing janna as a dps, the only thing that truly works universally is tank builds

FireDrizzleJun 2, 20192 votes

I dont know your rank and i said sion is weaker tank than damage. I am familar with both and have a higher wr since abandoning trash tank items.

XavanicJun 2, 20191 votes

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I dont know your rank and i said sion is weaker tank than damage. I am familar with both and have a higher wr since abandoning trash tank items.

He really isn't, try tank sion jungle, tank junglers are op atm...

Pandemic PunchJun 20, 20192 votes

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And yet darius still tends to struggle early due to sion just bullying him out of lane

His E gives him a fairly large amount of armor shred, plus he hit a vlad, vlad is rather tanky even early on

Sion doesn't need to activate it when the fight starts, he can walk into brush and start it, popping it once its ready and dealing a hefty amount of dmg

Sion gets nearly full dmg plus knock up after 0.75, anything longer is typically a waste, as for his E, yes it's a skill shot, but its a rather large skill shot that goes through minions, meaning it's deceptively easy to hit in lane

As for maxing E, you actually don't lose a lot of dmg, esp since you can run comet to deal a ton of dmg, all from the safety of your own backline, while Q is optimal, E is still an effective max

Overall, i think the problem here is your wanting to play sion has an AD assassin when his tools for doing so are rather lack luster, sion does far more the reasonable dmg for a tank when built tank, and with increased resistance's now a days, most cheese builds like AD sion are unlikely to be consistent, basically outside of cheesing bushes or getting occasional jungle ult, he really doesn't do much

Some points are correct, but Sion does not bully Darius early nor late. On average in Plat+, Sion is -839 gold @15 minutes vs Darius. That is horrible. Darius stomps Sion. In fact, that is the worst gold deficit for Sion out of every single Top lane match up in the game.

Legs DangleJun 12, 20192 votes

You gotta be silver to think darius struggles against sion. Darius is a hard counter to sion in gold+

XavanicJun 12, 20191 votes

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You gotta be silver to think darius struggles against sion. Darius is a hard counter to sion in gold+

a good sion will stomp out a good darius, its not even a competition its just fact, if you think darius counters sion rn, you must be iron

XJ99999999999999Jun 2, 20192 votes

sion is fine as a top laner atm.

Agent CorgiJun 2, 20191 votes

I respectfully disagree on Tank Sion being weak in toplane. Sion's got decent CC & he can be a living hell to deal with later on thanks to his Synergy with the Demolish Rune. In Ranged matchups, I find it better to max [E: Roar of the Slayer] first over [Q] since it gives me good poke & the slow gives me enough time to land a Q (assuming your opponent isn't someone with a Dash or Invulnerablity).

FireDrizzleJun 2, 20192 votes

Sion has more than decent cc but excepting point blank R it can all be avoided. The champs with better cc are all bad top lane.

"In Ranged matchups, I find it better to max [E: Roar of the Slayer] first over [Q] since it gives me good poke & the slow gives me enough time to land a Q (assuming your opponent isn't someone with a Dash or Invulnerablity)." You lose a lot out of lane maxing E because Q and W are aoe damage not single target.

KicktheDoorJun 20, 20191 votes

Tank Sion is the most viable option since you can push hard, but that's about it, Your (Q) doesn't do enough damage and is far too unreliable to warrant playing full AD. In most match ups (Riven, Mordekaiser, Riven, Jax, Tahm, Pantheon, etc.) landing a fully charged (Q) is very tricky unless your hiding in brush, since it's so easy to interrupt or side-step. Maxing (W) is preferable to (E) now since it does more damage and allows you to sustain and farm HP. If you cannot land (Q) or (R) during a skirmish then your essentially useless. Personally, I think his ultimate's cooldown should be reduced at all levels or be given more speed or control. Passive is basically useless outside of attacking towers since the revive animation gives opponents ample time to get away.

FireDrizzleJun 20, 20191 votes

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Tank Sion is the most viable option since you can push hard, but that's about it, Your (Q) doesn't do enough damage and is far too unreliable to warrant playing full AD. In most match ups (Riven, Mordekaiser, Riven, Jax, Tahm, Pantheon, etc.) landing a fully charged (Q) is very tricky unless your hiding in brush, since it's so easy to interrupt or side-step. Maxing (W) is preferable to (E) now since it does more damage and allows you to sustain and farm HP. If you cannot land (Q) or (R) during a skirmish then your essentially useless. Personally, I think his ultimate's cooldown should be reduced at all levels or be given more speed or control. Passive is basically useless outside of attacking towers since the revive animation gives opponents ample time to get away.

Sion Q is unreliable, but ad Sion can cheese with glacial and approach velocity. Tank Sion cant peel the hypermobile shit in the game because, unless your in at least diamond your teammates walk out of your Q.

I dont find landing Q on Pantheon too hard, if you charge Q at range with him slowed you can interrupt his W.

I dont like the idea of giving Sion R a lower cooldown but a lttile more control over it would be nice. Sion ult can be used too get back too lane and moving around the map so I dont think it deserves a lower cooldown. Nunu actually has a better Sion ult, it is better than Nunu's own ult also! Nunu doesnt feel like a champion when he isnt rolling the ball.

Passive is basically useless outside of attacking towers since the revive animation gives opponents ample time to get away.

With glaical augment or building ad it is good till lategame when it is just an iv bank for the enemy adcs. I suggested if Riot wont buff his passive late they should stop it being lifestealed from because a champion's passive shouldnt be helping the enemy team.