Why does ad Grievous Wounds
cost 800 gold armor Grievous Wounds
cost 1000 gold, but ap Grievous Wounds
cost 3000 gold?
Like, can we at least put it on Oblivion Orb
so it costs 1600 gold instead of having to build Morellonomicon?
PS: Is it cost effective for an ap support to buy executioner's calling and then sell it later for Morellonomicon?
Because AP have burst, and don't need the Grevious Wounds as early as AD do. It's that simple, Sustain is implicitedly better against DPS than it is Burst, since there's less time for them to be alive to take advantage of their sustain. Throw GV atop of burst early, and you're creating a fundamentally one-sided situation where they don't get the time to heal through the trade, and they can't heal after it either.
Even Vlad doesn't heal all that much significantly early game, not enough to warrant Grevious Wounds as constant harass still effects him greatly. The only real time you need Grevious Wounds early as a mage, is when there's a Mundo, but unless you're a top lane mage (In which case, you deserve to not have GW you long ranged bastards), you're not really in the same lane to require it as your first item.
Simply put, Burst beats Sustain and Sustain beats DPS, which is why DPS needs GW much earlier, as sustain is better over longer trades than the shorter ones, hence why tanks have GW on a component item as well.
If they remove the magic pene and add GW to oblivion Orb it would be cool imo. And up it's AP a bit or lower the cost to 1400g.
I think these would be reasonable changes
I get it's upsetting, but no one cares about the ailment for it to matter.
Often times I'll ping we need it and see a Morello before I see an Executioner.
Oblivion Orb NEW Recipe:
+ 565g (Total cost: 900g)
AP: 30
HP: 200 -> 0 (removed)
ReMOVED: Touch of Death: +15 magic Penetration --> 0 Magic Penetration
NEW?: Cursed magic - Now has UNIQUE Passive: Dealing magic damage applies Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds.
Morellonomicon NEW Recipe:
+450g (Total cost: 3000g, unchanged)
Everything else same as live, including GW duration (3 seconds)
For the literal cost of GW, on bramble it's about 300g (700g for 35 armor). For Exe. Calling, it's 275g (525g for AD) For Morello, it's 210g (2790g for ap/health/m.pen) For thornmail, it's a bit harder. Assuming cold steel is 200g, 433g is used for Thorns, but also has the damage reflection (2467g for armor/health/cold steel) Mortal reminder is similar, but with scaling armor pen, meaning against some targets it's literally free GW. Going by Last Whisper's passive costing 750g, GW costs 475g (2325g for ad/last whisper).
By this, Morello's is technically the item with the cheapest GW via stat budgeting, but takes the longest to get. In my opinion, not worth the trade off, I would much rather have morello be 100g more expensive with its passives swapped.
For fucks sake, no.
AP GW isn't too expensive, AD and Tank GW is too cheap.
First off, I know you mean that you need X gold to get the effect. However, GW does not cost that much. If anything Executioners is the most you pay for the same effect.
Cost break down
Total: 800g
AD: 375g
GW effect: 425g
Total: 1000g
Armor: 700g
GW effect: 300g
Total: 3000g
AP: 1400g
HP: ~798g
Pen: ~467g
GW Effect: 381g
If we use Executioners as a baseline, we are saving a little gold when we get the effects, none by a great margin though. Their cost for GW is about the same, the path to get it just takes longer.
IF you are truly in a bad healing match up. Vlad/Mundo etc. as an APC getting 3k gold will happen way before that healing becomes a threat to most APCs.
Tanks and ADs have the luxury of building it reactionary, but in reality morrellos is such a good item, just the threat of healing should make it a priority.
As far as supports with it goes, it really "depends" I'd imagine Brand/Velkoz purchase it frequently, but Sona and Nami would stray away.
Executioners doesn't build into anything better as far as I can tell, so you are stuck with a weak item that is dedicated purely to the effect and nothing more.
