Grievous Wound Cost?

SSmotzer·1/28/2020, 3:46:36 PM·6 votes·6,288 views

Why does ad Grievous Woundsitem 3123 cost 800 gold armor Grievous Woundsitem 3076 cost 1000 gold, but ap Grievous Woundsitem 3165 cost 3000 gold?

Like, can we at least put it on Oblivion Orbitem 3916 so it costs 1600 gold instead of having to build Morellonomicon?

PS: Is it cost effective for an ap support to buy executioner's calling and then sell it later for Morellonomicon?

20 Comments

ModAcademy Kayn1/28/2020, 6:45:24 PM2 votes

Because AP have burst, and don't need the Grevious Wounds as early as AD do. It's that simple, Sustain is implicitedly better against DPS than it is Burst, since there's less time for them to be alive to take advantage of their sustain. Throw GV atop of burst early, and you're creating a fundamentally one-sided situation where they don't get the time to heal through the trade, and they can't heal after it either.

Even Vlad doesn't heal all that much significantly early game, not enough to warrant Grevious Wounds as constant harass still effects him greatly. The only real time you need Grevious Wounds early as a mage, is when there's a Mundo, but unless you're a top lane mage (In which case, you deserve to not have GW you long ranged bastards), you're not really in the same lane to require it as your first item.

Simply put, Burst beats Sustain and Sustain beats DPS, which is why DPS needs GW much earlier, as sustain is better over longer trades than the shorter ones, hence why tanks have GW on a component item as well.

Saezio1/28/2020, 4:56:23 PM1 votes

If they remove the magic pene and add GW to oblivion Orb it would be cool imo. And up it's AP a bit or lower the cost to 1400g.

I think these would be reasonable changes

chipndip11/28/2020, 4:57:05 PM1 votes

I get it's upsetting, but no one cares about the ailment for it to matter.

Often times I'll ping we need it and see a Morello before I see an Executioner.

Kazekiba1/28/2020, 5:09:22 PM1 votes

Oblivion Orb NEW Recipe: item 1052 + 565g (Total cost: 900g) AP: 30 HP: 200 -> 0 (removed) ReMOVED: Touch of Death: +15 magic Penetration --> 0 Magic Penetration NEW?: Cursed magic - Now has UNIQUE Passive: Dealing magic damage applies Grievous Wounds for 2 seconds.

Morellonomicon NEW Recipe: item 3916 item 1058 item 1028 +450g (Total cost: 3000g, unchanged) Everything else same as live, including GW duration (3 seconds)

Blue Zergling1/28/2020, 11:58:41 PM1 votes

For the literal cost of GW, on bramble it's about 300g (700g for 35 armor). For Exe. Calling, it's 275g (525g for AD) For Morello, it's 210g (2790g for ap/health/m.pen) For thornmail, it's a bit harder. Assuming cold steel is 200g, 433g is used for Thorns, but also has the damage reflection (2467g for armor/health/cold steel) Mortal reminder is similar, but with scaling armor pen, meaning against some targets it's literally free GW. Going by Last Whisper's passive costing 750g, GW costs 475g (2325g for ad/last whisper).

By this, Morello's is technically the item with the cheapest GW via stat budgeting, but takes the longest to get. In my opinion, not worth the trade off, I would much rather have morello be 100g more expensive with its passives swapped.

Bârd1/29/2020, 2:12:49 AM1 votes

For fucks sake, no.

AP GW isn't too expensive, AD and Tank GW is too cheap.

AIQ1/28/2020, 4:38:25 PM1 votes

First off, I know you mean that you need X gold to get the effect. However, GW does not cost that much. If anything Executioners is the most you pay for the same effect.

Cost break down item 3123 Total: 800g AD: 375g GW effect: 425g

item 3076 Total: 1000g Armor: 700g GW effect: 300g

item 3165 Total: 3000g AP: 1400g HP: ~798g Pen: ~467g GW Effect: 381g

If we use Executioners as a baseline, we are saving a little gold when we get the effects, none by a great margin though. Their cost for GW is about the same, the path to get it just takes longer.

IF you are truly in a bad healing match up. Vlad/Mundo etc. as an APC getting 3k gold will happen way before that healing becomes a threat to most APCs.

Tanks and ADs have the luxury of building it reactionary, but in reality morrellos is such a good item, just the threat of healing should make it a priority.

As far as supports with it goes, it really "depends" I'd imagine Brand/Velkoz purchase it frequently, but Sona and Nami would stray away.

Darkstar Annie1/29/2020, 4:42:37 PM1 votes

Executioners doesn't build into anything better as far as I can tell, so you are stuck with a weak item that is dedicated purely to the effect and nothing more.