Does Zed needs a buff?

taleofsonata·Sep 4, 2018·18 votes·10,290 views

I don't know man, full comboing Irelia during her W and still deal 1.6k damage on ult? Either he does too much damage or really needs a rework, but buff? Heck no.

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Colton147Sep 4, 20185 votes

Meanwhile Corki is left in the gutters. item 3070

SaezioSep 4, 20181 votes

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Meanwhile is left in the gutters.

Corki has seen way more days of Overpowerness than most champs and waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more than zed. Just look at his pickrate in Worlds/lck/lcs over 8 seasons. He was even picked like a week ago in LCS playoffs

ShurikenseiSep 4, 20185 votes

Fun fact for people reading this, Zed's Ult damage is a percentage of the damage done by his abilities. It calculates that damage straight from the damage of said abilities that are written in the description, not how much is dealt to the champion. So while irelia W mitigated the combo's raw damage, Zeds ult still calculated the damage it would have done if said abilities hit without a problem. If Irelia were to W the ult portion instead of when she as getting hit, then the Ult pop would be reduced. Please be informed.

The ZΞDNov 30, 20181 votes

FINALLY! THANK YOU

AmazoXSep 4, 20184 votes

Coming from LL Stylish who is a Zed one trick and challenger on multiple accounts on NA, he stated this week that he thinks that either Zed or his ultimate needs to be reworked.

SaezioSep 4, 20181 votes

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Coming from LL Stylish who is a Zed one trick and challenger on multiple accounts on NA, he stated this week that he thinks that either Zed or his ultimate needs to be reworked.

I would like to see LL stylish try to get challenger in EUW with zed only. For some reason Zed has the best winrates in NA and no other major server. I am not disrespecting NA, just wanna see if their zeds are just too good or why the winrate there is so huge compared to KR and euw

BestPudgeNASep 4, 20184 votes

Irelia is facing Quad pen items with only Tabi while over a full item down and still would've won the fight had he used W, Stopwatch and R correctly. Yeah i'm not seeing the problem here. I mean i would agree Zed doesn't need buffs but this example is pretty fucking garbage for your argument.

LacerationSep 4, 20184 votes

14-2 kill nearly max build zed lands 2 full dmg Q's durnig deathmark on a target with only 1 piece of armor. Yeah this shows how shit zed is. Any other assassin would just 1shot hash here yet hash gives zed an optimal combo and doesnt W his pop dmg as irelia.

Anin777Sep 4, 20183 votes

First of all, it's irelia so honestly dgaf. Secondly. Let's analyze it. He hit every single ability. Before than he cleaved her fully meaning she had WAYYY less armor and he had a ton of AD and lethality AND ignite. So seems pretty normal given the state of the game.

Side note: So we're just gonna ignore the fact that irelia almost killed him without ult? Okay.

D357R0Y3RSep 4, 20182 votes

Side note: So we're just gonna ignore the fact that irelia almost killed him without ult? Okay.

yea? i don't know what the fuck is this thread also zed's damage done on shields still increases his ult damage so sterak is useless

if it didn't enchanters would completly nullify his damage

Anin777Sep 4, 20181 votes

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yea? i don't know what the fuck is this thread also zed's damage done on shields still increases his ult damage so sterak is useless

if it didn't enchanters would completly nullify his damage

Exactly. Not saying the damage isn't bullshit (it's bullshit) but compared to some of the shit I see TFBlade do with irelia to MULTIPLE enemies, this is nothing.

Daddy AntsSep 4, 20182 votes

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First of all, it's irelia so honestly dgaf. Secondly. Let's analyze it. He hit every single ability. Before than he cleaved her fully meaning she had WAYYY less armor and he had a ton of AD and lethality AND ignite. So seems pretty normal given the state of the game.

Side note: So we're just gonna ignore the fact that irelia almost killed him without ult? Okay.

https://streamable.com/4ijmo

Now I know I was 2 levels down but she literally only managed to auto me twice, missed her E, missed her R and almost kills me with ignite.

Irelia is bullshit. Ignite is bullshit.

Anin777Sep 4, 20181 votes

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https://streamable.com/4ijmo

Now I know I was 2 levels down but she literally only managed to auto me twice, missed her E, missed her R and almost kills me with ignite.

Irelia is bullshit. Ignite is bullshit.

That's actually BS. Meaning if she hit one of those abilities, you'd be dead almost instantly.

WoodenCreatureSep 4, 20183 votes

2 items zed can just miss his q completely and he can still kill u in an auto and then the ult popping you thats a big bs.

SaezioSep 4, 20181 votes

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2 items zed can just miss his q completely and he can still kill u in an auto and then the ult popping you thats a big bs.

zed has 2 items and you dont have a zhonyas yet? wp

BeatzBoyFTWSep 4, 20182 votes

Man, I'd complain about Zed like my previous posts, but they're just gonna give me the same "22 sec W cd" bullshit everytime. As if that part is the only thing I need to worry.

LeftyRaydySep 4, 20181 votes

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Man, I'd complain about Zed like my previous posts, but they're just gonna give me the same "22 sec W cd" bullshit everytime. As if that part is the only thing I need to worry.

which is great right the 22 second CD for his W, but end game his ult is also like 22 second CD so what do they have to say about that lol.

SaezioSep 4, 20181 votes

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which is great right the 22 second CD for his W, but end game his ult is also like 22 second CD so what do they have to say about that lol.

Are you actually saying Zed is an issue late or? Cause he kinda spikes at 1,5-2,5 items (provided the opposing jungler is a muppet and doesn't hover around mid to counter his telegraphed all in) and then falls off really really hard later.

LeftyRaydySep 4, 20181 votes

I am just saying his ult is on a really low CD even early game. He can also split push very effectively late game as he can basically solo kill anyone and then his ult will be back up for the next person.

SaezioSep 5, 20181 votes

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I am just saying his ult is on a really low CD even early game. He can also split push very effectively late game as he can basically solo kill anyone and then his ult will be back up for the next person.

He can't split for shit wtf are you talking about? If zed was a good splitpusher he would be in LCK matches to counter all the gnars and jayces and fioras and irelias and camiles. Even ap champs like Fizz and Kassa and even ryze just 1v1 destroy him with zhonyas. Yeah if you are an adc or an immobile mage and you go to split farm sure you deserve to die like a dog in the street

LeftyRaydySep 5, 20181 votes

to say he cant split for shit is kind of exaggerated. compared to all champions in the game he is at least in the top half at split pushing. the thing is he is one of those champions as well if he is ahead its hard to stop him until end game and even then its basically a guranteed ADC kill every fight.

Alex h8721Sep 4, 20182 votes

When im a jungler and see an enemy zed mid i laugh. If im blue side i start red and gank him level 2 after red (he's still level 1) and either kill him or force him to back, then with mid pressure its easy to take 1 or both scuttles and do a return gank a bit later.

SaezioSep 5, 20181 votes

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When im a jungler and see an enemy zed mid i laugh. If im blue side i start red and gank him level 2 after red (he's still level 1) and either kill him or force him to back, then with mid pressure its easy to take 1 or both scuttles and do a return gank a bit later.

exactly my point, and you don't even have to do it that early, if he hits 3 you just know he is gonna use that W soon xD just sit in the bush and wait like 4-8 sec max

HethaleanSep 4, 20181 votes

What buffs are you referring to?

taleofsonataSep 4, 20183 votes

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What buffs are you referring to?

Meddler made a post earlier this week talking about Zed buff because of his winrate in high elo.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 4, 201810 votes

I really, really hope he doesn't follow through with this. Zed is already one of their play toys and does not need anything on top of the nightmare that he already is.

Late Game KayleSep 4, 201812 votes

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Mid lane - While it would be cool to see Zed we don't have the room to buff him in regular play.

SaiannaSep 4, 20181 votes

Don't worry, they just haven't found a good reason to buff him yet. Just wait.

Daddy AntsSep 4, 20181 votes

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Don't worry, they just haven't found a good reason to buff him yet. Just wait.

Meddler said No Zed buffs.

There's "no room to buff him in regular play."

SaiannaSep 4, 20181 votes

I've heard enough of Meddler. I'm starting to think he has some kind of split personality.

HethaleanSep 4, 20181 votes

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Meddler made a post earlier this week talking about Zed buff because of his winrate in high elo.

Ahhh, sorry I missed that and the PBE had nothing.

NevrankroatonSep 4, 20184 votes

He said they though about it but certainly won't because he would be out of line.

RRmin HammerJan 30, 20191 votes

Out of line while akali still gets to be perma safe insafe zones of the game and heals off minions with q which is aplified by her first items right outta line

Daddy AntsSep 4, 20183 votes

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Meddler made a post earlier this week talking about Zed buff because of his winrate in high elo.

Meddler said Zed is NOT getting any buffs.

"While it would be nice to see him at Worlds, We don't have the room to buff him in regular play"

https://i.gyazo.com/1b389a1817ca17366de110c6d3f23686.png

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/38E5AMu9-quick-gameplay-thoughts-august-29

Half way down the first page.

Light of MadnessSep 4, 20181 votes

no buff. If want to change do a rmk not a buff

BjørnetjenestenSep 4, 20181 votes

Kinda felt good seeing that cancerous irelia explode tho

BIFFSep 4, 20181 votes

I down voted you because i had to watch it twice to see trick2g

Solidair3Sep 4, 20181 votes

I'll never understand where they leave Zed. He's supposed to be a highly complicated assassin who needs to land his combo, which you think would mean he should be one of them low win-rate champ that requires a lot of skill (syndra style) but they're more likely to leave him at around 50% which is almost certainly too strong and they still consider buffing him which is WILD, because he's definitely too strong already but I guess that's what bans are for.

DiamondSeedSep 4, 20181 votes

He needed to W as Zed second R went off. Just for the record, any healing/shielding/stasis needs to be used on second part of R since it can be mitigated.

SugeMinPikkSep 5, 20181 votes

Zed R stores premitigation damage. I thought this was common knowledge by now.

uwu owo o3oNov 24, 20181 votes

The reason Zed's ultimate proc does as much damage as it did is because it calculates based off of unmitigated damage. It does not take the damage enemy actually took and then applies the percentage of that damage once again - this would be ridiculous when you think about it, as it would mean resistances are double as effective against Zed. I don't think Zed is in a very strong position atm, but I do agree that he needs some kind of work. A common complaint I hear is that zed kills someone too easily even when behind, but that is his role - assassin. The problem isn't that he is excelling at one thing he is supposed to do, it is that so much of the champion's identity is purely oriented around exactly that, and limits dynamic counterplay while also giving only limited role to the champion.