frozen heart a bit OP
This item is kinda op. Put it on an assassin or fighter and it gives them the ability to duel while lowering the AS of who you are dueling
I would even put it on an adc just for dueling another adc
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Sunrift9 votes
all think that is a fantastic idea for your adc, and think you should try it out.
HappyHappy232 votes
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all think that is a fantastic idea for your adc, and think you should try it out.
still on a fighter or assassain. The CD is a problem so is a fighter itemizing it
redniwediS2 votesIt gives mana, and you listed 6 manaless champions...
HappyHappy232 votesIt gives mana, and you listed 6 manaless champions...
The CD and the armor man. think outside the box
redniwediS1 votesThere are many boxes I'll think outside of. Two of the boxes I won't is the Gold Efficiency box and the Slot Efficiency box.
If I want the cooldowns I'll buy a Black Cleaver, and if I want the armor I'll get Thornmail. You know what I'd be getting off of those two items that makes them superior to Frozen Heart? Other stats my champion can actually use...
I don't care what argument you present, there is no way I'd ever buy that on Garen. It's just not as strong as you think.
HappyHappy231 votesThere are many boxes I'll think outside of. One of the boxes I won't is the Gold Efficiency box.
If I want the cooldowns I'll buy a Black Cleaver, and if I want the armor I'll get Thornmail. You know what I'd be getting off of those two items that makes them superior to Frozen Heart? Other stats my champion can actually use...
I don't care what argument you present, there is no way I'd ever buy that on Garen. It's just not as strong as you think.
The CD and armor are more effective for garen. why would you Itemize thornmail? that's an outlier in terms of optimal itemization. The CD would give me better damage output and survivability as garen whilst debuffing the enemy team, and its only a 400g difference
redniwediS1 votesWhy get Thornmail? Because it's more slot efficient than Frozen Heart on Garen!
The mana component costs money, and the rest of the item just isn't strong enough to make up that difference on Garen. There are better items for a manaless champion.
HappyHappy231 votesWhy get Thornmail? Because it's more slot efficient than Frozen Heart on Garen!
The mana component costs money, and the rest of the item just isn't strong enough to make up that difference on Garen. There are better items for a manaless champion.
but the 20% CD and passive aura is only a 400g difference. That's efficient. Try it out
redniwediS1 votesYou can say that over and over, but it won't change the facts. There are better items that do similar things and yet have stats a manaless champion can make full use of.
Garen already gets high CDR as it is, and the "extra" armor is easily covered with other items that he also gets. There is an effective limit to how much armor you should buy after all, you can't just keep stacking.
At full build Frozen Heart simply would not carry it's weight. You're trying way too hard to show that it's OP. You're using it's numbers as evidence, and it's numbers do not support your argument.
HappyHappy231 votesYou can say that over and over, but it won't change the facts. There are better items that do similar things and yet have stats a manaless champion can make full use of.
Garen already gets high CDR as it is, and the "extra" armor is easily covered with other items that he also gets. There is an effective limit to how much armor you should buy after all, you can't just keep stacking.
At full build Frozen Heart simply would not carry it's weight. You're trying way too hard to show that it's OP. You're using it's numbers as evidence, and it's numbers do not support your argument.
ok, we will see what riot does in the next business quarter, you win
HappyHappy231 votesWhy get Thornmail? Because it's more slot efficient than Frozen Heart on Garen!
The mana component costs money, and the rest of the item just isn't strong enough to make up that difference on Garen. There are better items for a manaless champion.
they should add more utility/mana to the item
redniwediS1 votesWhy?!? That actually goes completely against what you're arguing, and makes it an even worse item for the six manaless champions you listed.
HappyHappy231 votesWhy?!? That actually goes completely against what you're arguing, and makes it an even worse item for the six manaless champions you listed.
because I want the item changed to better the health of the game. bye you win
redniwediS1 votesIf you don't want to argue your points with me just say so. Saying "you win" does nothing to support the discussion at hand.
G&B is about discussion, not having people blindly agree with what's said, so you have to be ready to defend your ideas against criticism.
3tyson1 votesJust cause a champ is manaless doesnt mean it doesnt need mana items
its like already havinng 40cdr but still buying morello for the griefiouse wounds it might be verry wel worth it
ZephyrDrake3 votesJust cause a champ is manaless doesnt mean it doesnt need mana items
its like already havinng 40cdr but still buying morello for the griefiouse wounds it might be verry wel worth it
sorry but no, in that case you might as well sell one of your CDR items since it's not worth it at all just to get Morello's just for the grievous wounds. Hell you should know before hand whether or not you need grievous wounds or not so you getting 40% CDR without getting Morello's just means you made terrible item build choices. Garen does not need Frozen Heart not because it gives mana but because the item itself is bad on Garen
3tyson1 votesI overdone cdr tons of times and i dont feel bad about it
start up with 10% on runes and masteries old ap jg item is 20% Now if theres a sona or vladimir soraka or allot of life steal in the enemy team
ita worth getting morrellos just for the griefiouse wounds since nothing else gives this
ZephyrDrake1 votesI overdone cdr tons of times and i dont feel bad about it
start up with 10% on runes and masteries old ap jg item is 20% Now if theres a sona or vladimir soraka or allot of life steal in the enemy team
ita worth getting morrellos just for the griefiouse wounds since nothing else gives this
if there is a Vlad or Soraka or any high sustain champion then you should be getting Morello's and getting 30% CDR and then getting another CDR item is not the same as having 40% CDR and getting another CDR item. You might want 40% CDR but none of the other 10% CDR items are useful to you so you go for the one that is useful even if it's going to overshoot the cap. You getting 40% CDR and then having to build another CDR item because you want whatever effect it has? that's just you having a terrible build path period
tr8terburns2 votesyou mean 7 manaless champions?
redniwediS1 votesOops, didn't count Aatrox.
Alljoy1 votesAatrox? Who's that, new champion teaser?
redniwediS1 votesFunny...
The Whamboozler2 votesIt's true. I rushed a Frozen Heart as 
and I was able to duel a fed Vayne with the help of only 3 of my teammates! It was amazing!
I mean... she got pretty fed off of me while I was building it, but hey.... that 15 minute power spike made up for it, yo!
HappyHappy231 votesAll I am saying is that the item should be reworked, maybe add more utility to the item so it is more tank and support oriented
HappyHappy231 votesno you keep babbling about mana making itemizing it inefficient when you trade 400g for a passive aura
and 20% CD in comparison to thornmail who is character specific, and black cleaver which is also character specific
in terms of garen, frozen heart will be the optimal choice because the CD gives surivavbility and a passive aura.
and may I remind you that item aura are being scrapped due to how unfun and vague they are.
but you are right
bye
ZephyrDrake1 votesno you keep babbling about mana making itemizing it inefficient when you trade 400g for a passive aura
and 20% CD in comparison to thornmail who is character specific, and black cleaver which is also character specific
in terms of garen, frozen heart will be the optimal choice because the CD gives surivavbility and a passive aura.
and may I remind you that item aura are being scrapped due to how unfun and vague they are.
but you are right
bye
lol no, Garen has no need for Frozen Heart ever. He already gets more than enough CDR as it is so he does not benefit from the 20% CDR of Frozen Heart. In fact Frozen Heart as much as you want it to see as "OP" is inferior to Randuin's Omen since all the item has over it is the CDR which can easily be accessed somewhere else. There is so much armor you need to build in the game and stacking only armor is dumb unless the enemy team does nothing but AD damage. In terms of "Garen" the optiman armor item will always be 
since it gives health, armor and it also reduces crit damage not to mention it also lowers AS when he gets attacked and it has an active which slows. What does Frozen Heart gives? more armor which is countered by health, CDR and the aura... oh and mana if you really want to add that. Aura items are not being scrap for being unfun, otherwise 
would also be scrapped which it won't since both it and Frozen Heart do not give hidden power since it's very obvious what they do.
You are the one who keeps talking nonesense about how great Frozen Heart is for a champion that has no need whatsoever for it and how broken Frozen Heart itself is when it isn't. Numbers are not everything, learn to actually look beyond just numbers.
HappyHappy231 voteslol no, Garen has no need for Frozen Heart ever. He already gets more than enough CDR as it is so he does not benefit from the 20% CDR of Frozen Heart. In fact Frozen Heart as much as you want it to see as "OP" is inferior to Randuin's Omen since all the item has over it is the CDR which can easily be accessed somewhere else. There is so much armor you need to build in the game and stacking only armor is dumb unless the enemy team does nothing but AD damage. In terms of "Garen" the optiman armor item will always be
You are the one who keeps talking nonesense about how great Frozen Heart is for a champion that has no need whatsoever for it and how broken Frozen Heart itself is when it isn't. Numbers are not everything, learn to actually look beyond just numbers.
you are right.... :)
HappyHappy231 votesagain I posted something to help the community. build frozen heart on garen. just do it
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesagain I posted something to help the community. build frozen heart on garen. just do it
is more efficient. Both items makes Garen a lot tankier, already instills 20% CDR, plus having Armor Penetration & AS slow with a Movement Speed slow active is really great for him.
Purchasing to purchase 
on a Garen is bad because:
-
Only offers pure Armor with no Hp builds which still makes him kind of squishy. Even
is a better purchase(offers more armor & reflects attacks) -
Why need two stats from one item
when you can get 3 stats & an Armor Penetration passive from another item? -
the mana stats is seriously a waste of space. Try purchasing
on Garen, and you'll know what I'm talking about. -
already has the AS slow and since you're the tank, enemy WILL have to focus you, so you don't really need that AS slow aura from
EDIT: I have also checked your match history, and it turns out that you have never played Garen for more than 2 months from now. Nice Bronzie mouth for someone who has never experienced for himself and urges people to build them for no specific reason.
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