I tried it vs a Jarvan top lane and I kinda got rocked against him.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2487038645/44795200?tab=overview
He killed me at 2 minutes and I pretty much just died over and over to him.
Any tips from you Fizz users to help me prevent that happening again?
Ben Sharpio3 votesi'm surprised you managed to die that many times with something as safe as tank fizz. Good on jarvan for putting you in your place lmao
MrNuclearPumpkin1 votes[{quoted}](name=l Sion Bot l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YH9sEeaN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-01T20:03:36.200+0000)
i'm surprised you managed to die that many times with something as safe as tank fizz. Good on jarvan for putting you in your place lmao
Seriously, you can't turn off your asshole-mode ever huh?
Slythion2 votesHe killed me at 2 minutes and I pretty much just died over and over to him.
well first, don't feed your laner at 2 minutes ever. The premise of that build is to build tank, yet you lost that lane before minions even spawned, let alone before you had time to actually build tank and rely on your base damages
MrNuclearPumpkin1 voteswell first, don't feed your laner at 2 minutes ever. The premise of that build is to build tank, yet you lost that lane before minions even spawned, let alone before you had time to actually build tank and rely on your base damages
You know, just telling me not the feed the damn laner is as helpful as telling me not to afk. You don't feed on purpose unless you're inting.
So instead of giving me general (And not very helpful) suggestions, how about actually giving me some information I can use?
Slythion1 votesI mean, you could take my comment as an insult but whatever
It's not like I was pointing out that the entire basis of "maybe I wasn't doing it right" was kinda rocked by innately starting from a fairly unwinnable situation. You could've been doing it right, but you put yourself behind against a champion that slaps people up if he gets ahead.
your story is generally invalidated by that fact. But nah, just be hostile and say my comment was useless because you'd rather view things as insults than actual logic.
edit: upong seeing all of your replies to other people's comments, it seems you are taking everything personally and don't know how to take a joke or to shrug things off. Lighten up bud, this is kind of rediculous how far you're taking it (mentioning these "assholes" in every single comment and responding to everything as if they killed your dog or something)
jaymc11301 votesI mean, you could take my comment as an insult but whatever
It's not like I was pointing out that the entire basis of "maybe I wasn't doing it right" was kinda rocked by innately starting from a fairly unwinnable situation. You could've been doing it right, but you put yourself behind against a champion that slaps people up if he gets ahead.
your story is generally invalidated by that fact. But nah, just be hostile and say my comment was useless because you'd rather view things as insults than actual logic.
edit: upong seeing all of your replies to other people's comments, it seems you are taking everything personally and don't know how to take a joke. Lighten up bud, this is kind of rediculous
Your comment was useless and you were being deliberately antagonistic.
The op was looking for an answer on how to not die to j4 at all in lane. That encompasses the first death. For which your solution was "don't die stupid".
Do you understand now how you have acted inappropriately here today mate?
We're all human and make mistakes, but try to have a little more class, respect, and maturity in your future posts.
We would all greatly appreciate that effort from ya buddy. Thanks.
Slythion1 votesalright, here's the thing:
the dude died before minions even reached lane. His question was how to play tank fizz, and claimed he did poor because he didn't know how to play tank fizz because he kept dying to j4.
my response was that the 2-minute death put in a very bad spot, making it a possibility that the wasn't so much of a "not knowing how to play tank fizz" situation and more of a "not knowing how to play from behind, especially because his tank fizz build takes time to get rolling"
When I stated that he died at a very early time and even specifically stated that his build takes time to become efficient (where he then begins to rely on base damages), I was not being insulting. Those were an in-depth analysis of a) what he did wrong that put him at a disadvantage and b) my assumption that he didn't know how the build worked, based of his general wording and the fact that he died several times early in the laning phase
I wasn't being "deliberately antagonistic", if I was I would've called him names or been sarcastic in some manor. I would've brought up irrelevant facts while not providing any insight whatsoever. What you call "deliberately antagonistic" is actually "bluntly factual", which is exactly what I was being. Just because he was offended due to me calling out his errors and providing a new perspective to his situation doesn't mean his feelings were warranted.
He asked for help, and I gave it to him. He took it as me calling him a feeder and being useless because he didn't want to adopt the perspective that I provided. Not my fault and not my issue.
Also: When you call someone "deliberately antagonistic" while being sarcastic with the exaggerated language
We would all greatly appreciate that effort from ya buddy. Thanks.
while also telling them how to behave
but try to have a little more class, respect, and maturity in your future posts.
seems a bit hypocritical. I'm not mad, just something to watch out for in your future posts if you're gonna white-knight (and no, that's not an insult)
Slythion1 votesI figured I should make it clear regardless, as people have been prone to taking offense to things in this thread :p
jaymc11301 votesI figured I should make it clear regardless, as people have been prone to taking offense to things in this thread :p
See! Already making strides. Well done sir, I tip my hat.
Slythion1 votesExcept I was never rude/aggravating in the first place, tough to be "making strides" when there was no starting point :/
but thanks regardless I suppose
MrNuclearPumpkin1 votesI mean, you could take my comment as an insult but whatever
It's not like I was pointing out that the entire basis of "maybe I wasn't doing it right" was kinda rocked by innately starting from a fairly unwinnable situation. You could've been doing it right, but you put yourself behind against a champion that slaps people up if he gets ahead.
your story is generally invalidated by that fact. But nah, just be hostile and say my comment was useless because you'd rather view things as insults than actual logic.
edit: upong seeing all of your replies to other people's comments, it seems you are taking everything personally and don't know how to take a joke or to shrug things off. Lighten up bud, this is kind of rediculous how far you're taking it (mentioning these "assholes" in every single comment and responding to everything as if they killed your dog or something)
My bad.
paisy2 votesBring ignite, farm til you hit 3, 4 or 6, then all in
Doing this might be hard if you don't play assassins or fighters
MrNuclearPumpkin1 votesBring ignite, farm til you hit 3, 4 or 6, then all in
Doing this might be hard if you don't play assassins or fighters
Thank you. Someone who actually knows how to give advice.
jaymc11302 votesDon't bother trying to farm pre 3 unless your troll pole is up. Then you can walk up to last hit and if he makes an aggressive move you have options that allow you to consistently win trades.
If j4 pushes, he can be ganked. Not even bothering to farm the first to waves real hard let's it push to you.
At level 1 if j4 throws his pole or tries to poke you with it use your troll pole to avoid the damage and then try to manuever in such a way that your landing hits him without having to reactivate troll pole. If done correctly you can use e to avoid his initial poke, damage him after wards, land an auto attack, and then kite back and away with the help of your single activation troll poll aoe slow. If done properly j4 can never actually win a trade in lane. If done masterfully j4 gets zoned for the entirety of lane phase and becomes a beginner bot for the remainder of the match.
At level 2/3 be sure to try to land two auto attacks by resetting the aa with your w any time you follow the above mentioned standard trade pattern.
Never use both your q and your troll pole in quick succession in lane unless there is no chance of being ganked or punished by j4 for being unable to avoid his superior dps at melee range with base starter items. Always save one to avoid damage.
Key rush items in the match up: 
. Strongly recommend bamis as the standard for an even or losing lane and sheen for when you actually win on gold at first back and return to lane before him. Always take the other small item second and complete tabi next in whatever order happens. Then complete triforce and decide to complete sunfire into durability, or roll for hybrid tank fizz and complete hourglass next. The other items you take won't matter pick whatever you feel fits that game, literally everything works on him at that point.
Save your shark for when the enemy jungler comes. J4 ult is no threat to a fizz aside from the damage nuke so the only way to die to j4 in lane post 6 is to extend past the river without your ult to cock block the enemy jg while you finish j4 or make your escape with troll pole/dash/flash.
There are very few melee champs who fare well versus fizz if fizz plays correctly around his troll pole trade pattern. I like corrupting pot start for the extra trade effectiveness but cloth pot start and dark seal pot start as well as doran ring start are all acceptable in certain situations.
MrNuclearPumpkin1 votesDon't bother trying to farm pre 3 unless your troll pole is up. Then you can walk up to last hit and if he makes an aggressive move you have options that allow you to consistently win trades.
If j4 pushes, he can be ganked. Not even bothering to farm the first to waves real hard let's it push to you.
At level 1 if j4 throws his pole or tries to poke you with it use your troll pole to avoid the damage and then try to manuever in such a way that your landing hits him without having to reactivate troll pole. If done correctly you can use e to avoid his initial poke, damage him after wards, land an auto attack, and then kite back and away with the help of your single activation troll poll aoe slow. If done properly j4 can never actually win a trade in lane. If done masterfully j4 gets zoned for the entirety of lane phase and becomes a beginner bot for the remainder of the match.
At level 2/3 be sure to try to land two auto attacks by resetting the aa with your w any time you follow the above mentioned standard trade pattern.
Never use both your q and your troll pole in quick succession in lane unless there is no chance of being ganked or punished by j4 for being unable to avoid his superior dps at melee range with base starter items. Always save one to avoid damage.
Key rush items in the match up:
Save your shark for when the enemy jungler comes. J4 ult is no threat to a fizz aside from the damage nuke so the only way to die to j4 in lane post 6 is to extend past the river without your ult to cock block the enemy jg while you finish j4 or make your escape with troll pole/dash/flash.
There are very few melee champs who fare well versus fizz if fizz plays correctly around his troll pole trade pattern. I like corrupting pot start for the extra trade effectiveness but cloth pot start and dark seal pot start as well as doran ring start are all acceptable in certain situations.
Thank you. Thank you so much for actually taking your time to give me a legitimate answer. Apparently the LOL community doesn't have enough brain power to think without being a freaking douche about anything.
LyingOnLine1 votesKeep playing like that.
The world could use for Tank Fizz Top players like you.
MrNuclearPumpkin1 votesKeep playing like that.
The world could use "for" (more) Tank Fizz Top players like you.
If you're going to be an asshole, at least spell your witty comments correctly.
Penns1 votesWell I cant see the replay so I cant really tell what you should be doing better. But looking at your runes and your build, you have 0 armor runes and your health runes are scaling (well.. except for one) so youre gonna be really squishy early.
Rushing Sunfire is ok, but Id try to get Ninja Tabi earlier against J4 and a Nocturne jungle, probably after .
You also got a Dorans Ring at minute 3 (after you died I guess) which isnt that bad but I would either get a Dark Seal or a Cloth Armor there since you had no armor runes.
jaymc11301 votesWell I cant see the replay so I cant really tell what you should be doing better. But looking at your runes and your build, you have 0 armor runes and your health runes are scaling (well.. except for one) so youre gonna be really squishy early.
Rushing Sunfire is ok, but Id try to get Ninja Tabi earlier against J4 and a Nocturne jungle, probably after
You also got a Dorans Ring at minute 3 (after you died I guess) which isnt that bad but I would either get a Dark Seal or a Cloth Armor there since you had no armor runes.
After a first blood given over it's probably best to take the dark seal for the trade power and extra sustain. You won't win lane at that point but you might be able to trade kills back if you stick to the trade pattern and wear him down with attrition.
But that's just my take and some random diamond scrub who sucks at fizz could well be wrong about that being the correct item choice there. Wish I was a better fizz player and maybe I would know.
MrNuclearPumpkin1 votesWell I cant see the replay so I cant really tell what you should be doing better. But looking at your runes and your build, you have 0 armor runes and your health runes are scaling (well.. except for one) so youre gonna be really squishy early.
Rushing Sunfire is ok, but Id try to get Ninja Tabi earlier against J4 and a Nocturne jungle, probably after
You also got a Dorans Ring at minute 3 (after you died I guess) which isnt that bad but I would either get a Dark Seal or a Cloth Armor there since you had no armor runes.
HOLY-
No wonder I died to him so much earlier.
See J4 and I went on each other level 2 and we were both pretty low. But I noticed that he was just dealing that much more to me. I forgot that I wasn't running armor runes... uuugh. >< I guess that's something I need to really remember to add.