Oh, never mind.
https://image.ibb.co/fCcMwm/ddaa.jpg
http://na.op.gg/champion/nasus/statistics/top [2nd biggest winrate (only losing to the best Klepto abuser in top) 8th most picked in top]
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/runes/nasus/top/all
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/na/platinum/plus/champion/Nasus/
RiotRiot MapleNectar11 votesThere are nerfs going out to Klepto in 8.2, as well as the quest reward changes for support items which hits nasus in a pretty big way (not getting talisman of ascension). There are also so many examples of us doing the exact opposite (nerfing champion the patch a skin comes out) that the fact these threads still crop up is interesting.
SourCustard2 votesOh thats nice to hear, would it be possible to list what the exact change is? So far on PBE there has been no changes to Kleptomancy and some stuff you can change on it that can't be data-mined that easily
ProfDrDeath1 votesThere are also so many examples of us doing the exact opposite (nerfing champion the patch a skin comes out)
They call that conformation bias in psychology. :)
Are there any other 8.2 changes that are invisible for the PBE dataminers? Like, for instance, will the changes to single-target targeted spells go live in 8.2, as well?
General Esdeath 3 votesExcept now Nasus can get a free sightstone for more warding to avoid ganks...
Skorch1 votesExcept thats not gonna happen because the nasus likes the movespeed. Its one of the main reason he takes it. The quest also requires NOT farming minions which nasus doesnt like at all. So no... he wont build it for a sightstone.
AMYS GRAVE2 votesIt was one of the main reason he took it.
ftfy, now he's gonna take it because a free sightstone is obscenely good. Sightstone was one of the most valuable items in the game and the 800 gold hit to tempo was too much of an investment for solo laners. Now that its free....
Skorch1 votesI personally dont see champions building support items and getting the quests JUST to get sightstone when normal ward trinket is usually pretty good (at least in lane) and late game there are better alternatives. But hey you want warding? Sure its not like it'll be BAD. I just dont see it being that meta.
General Esdeath 1 votesYou're not getting it for the sightstone, you're getting it for gold gen. It's just an add-on now, since wards are shitty compared to old trinket upgrades and the ability to buy single wards.
General Esdeath 1 votesWhat are you talking about? You're not supposed to upgrade it to Talisman. You could, but rarely would do. Also, this upgrade doesn't cost as much as ToA.
chumchumm1 votesDont you think the quest line change on frostfang will also be a pretty large indirect nerf to eve? If so why isnt eve treated with the same wait and see approach that nasus is being treated with. I know there is a buff to runic echo to restore more mana but by the time eve builds runic echo she really isny mana hungry any more so i feel the frostfang removal will be a much larger nerf than the echo buff will be a buff for her. I could understand some nerfs but these nerfs are massive to her it hitting both the base dmg and scaling on both her normal and empower e. just seems like these are pretty extreme nerfs for someone who already has a indirect nerf in same patch.
Oleandervine3 votesThe quest reward changes to support items are the ABSOLUTE WORST way to deal with the abuse from the items. No actual support players want to have one of the more engaging aspects of their core items get gutted and replaced with Sightstone actives. It's just terrible on all levels. Find some other way of fixing it, such as making the items directly lower your stats until a certain point, to prevent other lanes from taking them or something. Literally any other path you could have taken that would have preserved these items for the class who needs them to be fun and engaging.
Yrzen2 votesStop saying "No actual Support players" want this. I want this. I main Support. The changes aren't being made to prevent abuse cases. It's because a sightstone tax is really unsatisfying as far as player agency goes. It is in no way engaging having to spend 800 gold every game before getting to choose any items, and getting a sightstone active for free feels more engaging than these quest rewards that currently don't change the way you play very much.
Oleandervine1 votesYou may have that opinion, but it seems to feel very badly of a Trojan horse "buff" to supports when the meta has been abuse case after abuse case of Relic Shield and Spellthief on non-supports, especially since Kleptomancy went live.
This new change wouldn't be such a terrible thing if it actually addressed the abuse cases without severely damaging support engagement and item choice. Shield Battery is an amazing passive to have on tank supports, and Queens Tribute works flawlessly on poke supports. These passives don't change playstyles, no, but instead they enrich them, and make doing the jobs they're needed for much more effective.
Getting a Sightstone as an active is absolutely not any more engaging than knowing you have a nice shield as a passive or a GTFO escape plan when you land a spell. Warding is absolutely dull and boring, a mandatory task dumped on Supports. Being a better warding machine is not an engaging mechanic, and having more wards as a reward is like your boss giving you more reports to write as a reward for doing a good job. It's unsatisfying, and I would much rather work towards an passive I know will help me in the long run that towards an active that is just a number crunching optimization function.
Tèrminus1 votesShield Battery is an amazing passive to have on tank supports
The Guardian keystone is supposed to do much the same thing as Shield Battery (poke deterrent for tank supports), so I imagine that just tweaking the Guardian rune might help if the loss of Shield Battery is a problem.
Make Guardian cool down faster while out of combat, similar to Warwick's W when not hunting.
Buff the base shield slightly for the Guardian user, while keeping the live shield value for their ally.
Also, the Sightstone as a quest reward is less engaging than the current rewards, but the 800 you save by not having to buy a Sightstone can go towards getting an item that IS engaging sooner.
Teslyn4 votesAre you saying they are keeping something strong because they are trying to sell skins??
Yeah i believe it. they have done crap like that before.
Shatter the Sun1 votesBecause its easy to get around. You have to punish his early game for picking klepto and taking gold coin like you would if he was normal nasus. He is basically conceding the laning phase by going this.
