Is it me or is Yasuo kind of bullshit?

chipndip1··9 votes·3,303 views

-Ult auto-hits off of other ults, holds people helpless in the air, and reduces armor while leaving him in perfect position to follow-up before any of the victims can react -Doubles his crit rate -Has a free "Fk you" to any projectile in the game -Has a shield even if he can't wall off your projectile

Between his ult's armor down debuff, Wind Wall, and auto-shield, something's GOT to give. Paired with champs like Wu and Malphite and there's literally no way I can see an opposing team winning a team fight against him. You can't REALLY run from all that, and to boot he cuts your armor in half AND auto-crits you with his doubled crit rate. Is it me or could this champ be looked into?

Edit: If it IS me, no need to be nasty, but any advice would be lovely.

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Fadedpf3 votes

Yasuos "insane protection" almost completely falls off out of lane. He has a point and click Dash so unless he can juke you because minions are around he has no escapes. His counter are fighters and bruisers. XinZhao Irelia Riven Shyvana Garen If a fighter like this gets their hands on him he is toast. And not to mention his base health is garbage.

chipndip11 votes

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Yasuos "insane protection" almost completely falls off out of lane. He has a point and click Dash so unless he can juke you because minions are around he has no escapes. His counter are fighters and bruisers. XinZhao Irelia Riven Shyvana Garen If a fighter like this gets their hands on him he is toast. And not to mention his base health is garbage.

So basically...you have to deal with him with bruisers and "juggernauts" that can just run right through the wind wall and beat the cowboy hat off his head?

Fadedpf3 votes

Well don't expect to beat him as some squishy mid laner with avoidable CC and damage. If he gets fed because you have a Velkoz Syndra or Lux Well that is just how it works. But he is a very easy gank when extended. He needs a great knock up on your squishies to be called over powered because otherwise bruisers spread his ass open wide. Any sort of hard engage that he cant wind wall means death. If he isn't fed when the first team fights start happening you have to catch him and focus him before he gets a knock up. And once a Yasuo starts feeding it is near impossible for him to be useful and come back.

ImSoFull1 votes

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Well don't expect to beat him as some squishy mid laner with avoidable CC and damage. If he gets fed because you have a Velkoz Syndra or Lux Well that is just how it works. But he is a very easy gank when extended. He needs a great knock up on your squishies to be called over powered because otherwise bruisers spread his ass open wide. Any sort of hard engage that he cant wind wall means death. If he isn't fed when the first team fights start happening you have to catch him and focus him before he gets a knock up. And once a Yasuo starts feeding it is near impossible for him to be useful and come back.

Leblanc crushes him... just bait his wall with q-w and then kill him 5seconds later. And if you're in a bush.. He's gonna be dead in 0.02s

jjookkeerr1 votes

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Leblanc crushes him... just bait his wall with q-w and then kill him 5seconds later. And if you're in a bush.. He's gonna be dead in 0.02s

hummm, no.

ImSoFull1 votes

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hummm, no.

What do you mean 'hummmm no" lmfao she literally kills him in 3moves lategame. Matter of fact anything that's squishy. not to mention able to kite him and dodge everything he has.

ilt3 votes

enemy Yasuo is always god, Yasuo on my team always goes 2/9

Only Play Darius2 votes

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enemy Yasuo is always god, Yasuo on my team always goes 2/9

Shaco MasterYi Ezreal Nidalee LeeSin

It's called the "Law of Shaco" lol

Matezoide2 votes

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Shaco MasterYi Ezreal Nidalee LeeSin

It's called the "Law of Shaco" lol

Vayne ''Dont you dare leave me out!''

chipndip11 votes

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Shaco MasterYi Ezreal Nidalee LeeSin

It's called the "Law of Shaco" lol

This is the reason I made this post. Problem is that I main adcs and squishy supports. The most I can do is sort of tell people what to do or something.

LordGeovanni1 votes

yasou just counter the guys you want to main though he does the same to tanks(cause armor and mr is Shit) you can only defend either ad with armor or ap with mr you cant do both and you still get no noteable damage that will more than likely just be over healed or dashed out of range an plus kited. \

ForgiveColour2 votes

yes you are the only one just a few years late tho

Durzaka2 votes

Oh are we back onto Yasuo?

Boy does the forums love a good circle jerk.

Spizzle90002 votes

I'd say armor for supports and a QSS to get out of his ult when you ADC. Get him to waste his e on your so you can flash away or something later. Just gank him to hell in lane. He's trash when behind.

LordGeovanni1 votes

even with qss you still take the damage but idk if you can qss his ult cause you are airborne

Bârd2 votes

Ult does not reduce their armor. It grants yasuo armor pen.

BattleOxe1 votes

Well, ther is a way to win teamfight. Shut down yasuo in lane. But if he goes even in lane, or god forbidd gets fed, and has like malphite top and J4 jungle, you loose teamfights. But we all probaly got used to it already

HoshinoTama1 votes

I'd personally love to see windwall able to only take a certain amount of projectiles before breaking. So like as you increase it's rank, it can block more projectiles before breaking down.

67chrome1 votes

-Ult auto-hits off of other ults, holds people helpless in the air, and reduces armor while leaving him in perfect position to follow-up before any of the victims can react

No other ult in the game requires an opponent to be subjugated to a particular type of CC to even cast. They tend to just be available to cast when they're off CD. Relying on allies to set up his ult is a con.

It's also worth pointing out Yasou can just as easily be placed in a bad spot from his ultimate, and he's not un-targetable mid-ult and can indeed be killed while performing it, which can result in plenty of damage for him.

-Doubles his crit rate

And lowers his total damage on a crit to 90%.

Double crit is also way less powerful than it sounds. When AD Annie is at 150% DPS Yasou is at 180%, with IE it's 175% vs. 225%. So double crit is only difference of 20% or 29% total DPS. Vs. someone with no AA steroids at all.

It's worth pointing out most tanks, fighters, assassins, marksman, and supports have some kind of AA steroid or on-hit effect that prevents Yasou from doing 29% more DPS than them with the same items. And yes, I did say supports. Janna has a +50 AD steroid, Taric a +70 AD steroid, Alistar a +90 AD steroid.

I don't really see how doing 29% more DPS than AD Annie is particularly impressive. I really don't see how Janna out-DPSing Yasou for the better part of a game is either, or AD adventures Taric: and Taric has an armor reduction steroid his entire team can benefit from as well.

-Has a free "Fk you" to any projectile in the game

Most light fighters have something like that. Jax does that to auto-attacks, Kayle to damage, Fizz to skillshots, Nocturne and Fiora to spells, Wukong to lots of things, Tryndamere and Aatrox to dying, Poppy to everything.

-Has a shield even if he can't wall off your projectile

His shield is mostly only useful in a poke-war, in a burst war or vs. anything melee range it's fairly flimsy.

Between his ult's armor down debuff, Wind Wall, and auto-shield, something's GOT to give. Paired with champs like Wu and Malphite and there's literally no way I can see an opposing team winning a team fight against him.

Without Yasou in the picture at all: you deserve to loose a team fight is a Malphite pulls off a beautiful initiation that sends your entire team flying within range of some heavy-hitting fallow up.

Winning team fights is more about placing yourself in a situation where the enemy Malphite doesn't get to do that and yours does.

You can't REALLY run from all that, and to boot he cuts your armor in half AND auto-crits you with his doubled crit rate. Is it me or could this champ be looked into?

First - he penetrates 50% of your bonus armor, which is actually a pretty massive difference then 50% total armor.

Second - only Yasou gets the 50% bonus armor penetration, he doesn't debuff your armor (IE reduce it). It's still at 100% strength for everything else nearby. Which is also a pretty important distinction to make.

Third - most light fighters and medium range marksman have 2 AA steroids. Consider Vayne has +70 AD and 20+2.66% max HP per hit in true damage (~70 per-hit vs. a 2k HP target, or the physical equivalent of ~122 vs. the 75 base armor (42% DR) most squishies have @18). It's worth noting here that for Yasou's double-crit passive to out-DPS both of Vayne's AA steroids vs. a squish, he'd need over 700 total AD. Within an average game length, his typical build, bases, and 10 bonus points for runes/masteries will only take him to ~240.

Edit: If it IS me, no need to be nasty, but any advice would be lovely.

Yasou's mostly a case of smells OP, looks OP, sounds OP, but is objectively and mathematically pretty balanced.

Mostly what he does have going for him is a good set of tools to deal with a lot of situations so he doesn't fall into scissors vs. rock traps - which makes dealing with him fairly nuanced as there's no obvious weakness you can easily exploit in most situations vs. him.

LordGeovanni1 votes

i wonder if any one realises the saftey that range provides and that while yasou has a big fuk you to ranged people ranged people are always a fuck you to melee champions

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

I pick Veigar into Yasuo. Come at me bitches.

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