With all the changes Riot is making to keep all champions and items as close to even as possible, you'd think that having 4 relevant jungle items instead of 3 and 1 useless would become a decent priority on their mind. Especially in this new jungle carry meta that cinderhulk has brought along, what do you guys think would be a good 4th jungle item instead of poachers?
Meep Man1 votesA better version of Poachers. One that actually helps with counterjungling more.
PonderousSealion1 votesThe inherent problem with poachers is that its a big neon sign that says "Hey! I'm gonna counter jungle!".
ThatHaleState1 votesThe way I see it, counter jungling is situational and should never really be a goal to do unless you know where the enemy jungler is (like he just ganked) or you can qucikly take a camp or important buff. So having an item only about that situational part of the game and that cannot help you elsewhere is pretty useless.
One thing I could come up with is a friendly smite for more support like junglers like Nunu and such that blood boil and make others better. Possibly a smite that could be used on a friendly champion to increase a stat of some kind. Dmg, Resistances, Speed. Something that could make ganks better for the laner hen the jungler isn't exactly proficient at it.
ThatHaleState1 votesI like the idea of having an item that will make counterjungling strong.
Why not have something like...increased damage to jungle monsters AND champions while in the enemy jungle.
Then increased gold for kills and jungle monster kills in the enemy jungle.
That would make counterjungling and dueling relevant again.
The jungle duelist bullies like Trundle, Shyvana, Skarner, Volibear, Mundo and Udyr are very far out of meta right now.
I used to love pushing people out of their jungle. Now that's not even a viable strategy. The only counterjungling now is Nunu and a few others who just steal stuff when you're not around. Hence the movement speed buff on poacher's.
That's the problem. No one cares about that MS buff. You need to provide something tangible, like extra damage to push enemy junglers out.
Im not against that either, although it might get a little to strong later if your ahead and have them pushed to base. I like the concept, riot would have to play with it i think tho
Lugg1 votesHaving one that gives you 
would be very useful.