Reav3 and RiotJag on Aatrox's Update

ModCaptainMårvelous··3 votes·1,335 views
Upcoming Aatrox Changes and the future * r/AatroxMains

TL;DRs:

  • Minor visual changes to armor/color soon.
  • Banner wings going to be experimented on to come back.
  • Gameplay changes are being worked on but a full revert is a no-go.
  • Jag on Aatrox (current) playstyle:

Aatrox's basic-attack centric drain tank play pattern does not offer enough tactical variance or counterplay. He's one of the most stat-checky fighters in the game, and when he's strong he doesn't offer a whole lot of options for opponents to fight against him. It’s very illustrative that in just a patch with no direct buffs, he moved from literally not being picked in a pro game for years to becoming arguably the highest priority top laner in the game. Aatrox is the epitome of a binary champion, and seeing him in competitive play has only reinforced the need to update his gameplay.

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AirKingNeo2 votes

Aatrox's basic-attack centric drain tank play pattern does not offer enough tactical variance or counterplay. He's one of the most stat-checky fighters in the game, and when he's strong he doesn't offer a whole lot of options for opponents to fight against him. It’s very illustrative that in just a patch with no direct buffs, he moved from literally not being picked in a pro game for years to becoming arguably the highest priority top laner in the game. Aatrox is the epitome of a binary champion, and seeing him in competitive play has only reinforced the need to update his gameplay.

This paragraph pretty much describes ignorance of knowledge about Aatrox. His opponents can play around his passive. Aatrox can be freely attacked if he attempts to sustain with W because he MUST ATTACK to use it (not like Vlad who is ranged and needs to press Q). If Aatrox doesn't want to lose passive stacks, he must continue to attack the wave, thus pushing it. Aatrox cannot heal nor stack passive if he is pushed or pressured off the wave. His E and Q are skillshots that can be dodged.

Saying he wasn't buffed is acting like he magically becme meta. 200 Gold off any champion's core item can make them meta.

Just because most players don't understand how to respect Aatrox's passive, know how to disengage from his passive, and manage waves properly isn't a reason to change a champion.

Teridax682 votes

I'd be willing to buy this if we didn't have successful VGUs to both Irelia and Warwick. Prior to their reworks, both champions were notorious for being ultra-binary, stat-checky, autoattack-based drain tanks. Both champions were made healthy in a manner that preserved their autoattack reliance and their sustain, in Warwick's case by putting it onto his autoattacks as well. On a larger scale, we have plenty of successful autoattack-based champions in the game. I therefore do not see the justification in changing Aatrox from an autoattacker to a caster.

As a side note, it's also worth mentioning that the Reddit posted linked above points to Aatrox's drain tanking being a problem. This is indeed true, except his new kit has omnivamp, a form of persistent sustain that is even less visible than his three-hit heal, even less gated, and at least as stat-checky. As such, I fail to see how exactly this new kit proposes to resolve Aatrox's drain tanking problem, when it fully aims to make him a drain tank in a manner that comes across as altogether even worse than his autoattack-based sustain.

Finally, I'm starting to get a little tired of the "real talk" that comes up in these defensive posts. All too often, I've seen Rioters invoke expressions like "real talk" / "let me be honest" / "let me be frank" / etc., only to say something completely trite, overly sanitized, or just generally rather corporate in tone. It's very nice to be told by Rioters that they care about the community, but one of the reasons why the Aatrox community is upset is precisely because they were not in any way consulted or communicated with, and are only now being addressed in a damage control post after an overwhelmingly negative reaction to the update. If the team that worked on the Aatrox VGU cared about his players, they certainly haven't shown it. No amount of "real talk" will change that, nor will it detract from the fact that the community had reason to expect better, given that Riot handled champions with similar problems in the past, came up with kits that genuinely captured the original champion's identity, and thus demonstrated both care and attention towards that champion's community. By contrast, it doesn't look like even Reav3 or Jag know what Aatrox's original identity is, or what players wanted him to be, which makes their post on r/AatroxMains ring all the more hollow.

Quiet Dude1 votes

The wings coming back is a nice touch. Maybe make them toggelable like Kaisa visor or NS Rengar hood.

I can see why the visual changes being added. I’m ambivalent to that

Glad they aren’t changing his kit tho, it looks fun as hell

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

Honestly i'm just glad that they are taking the time to make it the best they can by listening to what the community is asking for. I think in the end when they are going to release him on live servers, he will be pretty solid.

Asamas1 votes

Oh no... Not the wings ;(. I know a lot of people like the old wings but can we just have new cool wings for him? Why are people here so scared of change.

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