Any non generic advice for climbing elo?

it be lìke that·Apr 22, 2016·2 votes·583 views

So i started playing roughly 4 months ago, Ive taken a fancy to jungling, mostly because i learned a good jungle can change games miraculously and i got tired of depending on junglers to carry games. So a bond was born. I mostly play assassins i love Evelynn but lets be honest, she is barely playable in normals, let alone solo q. I guess what im looking for is advice that isnt "Focus on what you can do better instead of others" I actually hate that advice, i critique my own mistakes, dont get me wrong, but if im 9-2-10 i will refuse to believe im more of the problem over someone who is 1-10. How do you carry that? i have some games were i feel like its me against 5 people, i dont flame or talk down to my teammates, but i want to win. I refuse to accept that every game is not potentially winnable.

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LegacyDAPApr 22, 20163 votes

Lol, you don't carry with a 1/10 you lose. The trick isn't to climb, it's to get better. Hence, the reason people tell you to learn off of your own mistakes.

Basically, it's pointless to worry about elo and all that garbage, because right now it doesn't matter. If you're good at the game it doesn't matter what your elo is, your basically gonna destroy everyone you meet and eventually climb.

DealthApr 22, 20163 votes

No one will EVER give you ANY good advice for climbing. You want to know the secret to winning? Play strong champions. Either champions who currently have high win rates or champions you personally have high win rates with. That's how you climb.

Mayor StubbsApr 22, 20162 votes

As a jungler, try to get really good at counterjungling / counter ganking. (ward in their jungle). Play FOTM champs

it be lìke thatApr 22, 20161 votes

this is something i need to get better at, i usually only invade for buffs and to drop wards. i used to push for fights but i would get collapsed on by their mid (or whichever lane im closest to) while that member of my team just sits lane farming. so then im trying to escape a 1v2 or just get my kill before i ultimately die. as for the FOTM, im right there, playing a lot of yi, xin fizz and now cho'gath.

J EpsteinApr 23, 20162 votes

2 non generic things that have helped me in the past is: 1.) dodge games that either don't fit your desired playstyle or give you a bad feeling in champ select. When I hit gold, I dodged every game where i felt my team had a bad comp. No sense losing a game just because you trusted teemo top or garen jg to contribute. I often had to not even play that game due to dodging 3 games in a row. You may lose LP, but you make up the elo in the long run. edit: just now i had to dodge because lee and kha were arguing over jg and both running smite, i could have played it and lossed or i could have taken the 30 min penalty... I took the penalty.

2.) Use anonymous pings. As in don't specifically ping to attack a turret, or go baron, ping next to it so your name doesnt show. I've noticed a bias in pings to the extent of people ignoring it out of spite just because you somehow rubbed that person the wrong way. If you anonymously ping, they don't know who its coming from, so they are more likely to follow it.

Just some things that helped me that i don't see posted at all

it be lìke thatApr 23, 20161 votes

so i failed my first promotion to silver earlier because of trolls 2/3 games, so it said i would need 1 less victory the next time around. did it mean for the lp to climb to 100? or 1 less victory when i hit 100? because i thought the latter and i hit 100 again, won my first game. still bronze 1 100 lp :(

EndlessSorcererApr 23, 20161 votes

When you next enter your promo series to Silver 5, you will start with a free win.

Basically, you will only need to win 2/4 games instead of 3/5 to be promoted.

it be lìke thatApr 23, 20161 votes

ty sir appreciate all the help!

EndlessSorcererApr 23, 20161 votes

Evelynn is quite playable in Ranked and Normal games if you:

** Have the correct runes (AD Marks, AP Quints and Glyphs, Armor Seals)**
The correct runes and masteries (Thunderlord's Decree and Strength of the Ages are probably the two most reliable keystone masteries on her)
Build correctly (both according to the situation, your playstyle, and picking items which synergize with one another)
Know how to take advantage of her passive to open different gank paths

I'd personally recommend taking summoner 11 / summoner 14 on Evelynn over / summoner 4 . Ignite and Skirmisher's Sabre make her a much stronger duelist at all points of the game and it provides quite a bit more pressure during early invades, duels and ganks. Flash isn't bad, but Evelynn's stealth, W and ultimate already provide a lot of safety and you don't really need it to initiate either (since you are either usually flanking or picking people off).

I'd highly recommend watching some Evelynn videos on Youtube from Diamond+ players. It really helps to see what gank routes they take, how they position themselves for ganks, and how they build in different situations.

Taking a quick look, your most recent build on Evelynn was pretty bad. That build was:

item 3158 item 1400 item 3100 item 3147 item 3022 item 3742

Those items have very little synergy amongst themselves and left you far weaker than you could have been.

I've recently picked Evelynn back up myself (I'm not the best or most experienced), but there are probably three main builds I would recommend.

Standard (AP) Build: [Provides very high mobility and burst damage at the expense of durability. You would likely pick up defensive items after this core] item 3020 item 1414 item 3100 item 3116 (Defensive Item) (Defensive Item)

Trinity Tank: [A duelist with good burst and sustained damage.] item 3047 item 3111 item 1412 item 3078 (Defensive Item) (Defensive Item) (Defensive Item)

Bruiser Build: [Another duelist build with more early resistances] item 3047 item 3111 item 1412 item 3025 item 3156 (Defensive Item) (Defensive Item)

I tend to prefer Evelynn built as an AD bruiser since it better fits my play-style and preferences, but I am aware that it isn't the most popular or probably best build. However, I like it since it makes be durable enough to duel people, initiate teamfights (that shield is massive with resistances to back it up) and survive long enough to clean up teamfights.

However, that's part of the beauty of Evelynn; she can be built pretty much however you want due to the flexibility of her kit.

For jungling tips in general, I've included some below:

I would suggest watching videos by high-ELO and/or professional junglers (i.e. Nightblue3, Stonewall008, Valkyrin, and foxdropLOL). They will typically provide a lot of useful tips while playing and you can often see or hear their decision process and some optimizations throughout the game.

Off the top of my head, some basic optimizations may be:

Use hard-CC when the monster camps are about to attack you to cancel that attack and delay their next.
Each of the smite buffs are quite useful in different situations. Be sure to take proper advantage of them.
- Raptor's buff is great for ganking
- Gromp buff provides extra damage during clears and fights, especially for champions with a lot of health
- Krug's buff reduces the damage you take while clearing and lets champions without CC kill Scuttle Crab faster
- Wolf buff is useful when you are being counter-jungled or invaded (or after your initial towers have fallen).
If you have a weak early clear, Krugs -> Raptor's -> Red Buff is probably the route that conserves the most health.
Kill the little Raptors and the little Krug first on single-target clearers. They deal a significant amount of damage for their health value, so you will be healthier if they die early.
If you think the enemy jungler will invade you early game, it can be safer to start on a buff camp rather than a little camp since you are less likely to be where they are looking.
Attack Speed is extremely efficient at clearing on most junglers. I'd recommend using about 15% on champions when you need to speed up their clear even if they don't use the stat much later (with a few exceptions, such as Nidalee and Evelynn).
Keep a pink ward out (or in your inventory) whenever possible. This is important for every champion, but I thought I should emphasis it. There isn't really a good reason not to.

As far as ganking is concerned:

When possible, conserve your gap-closer while ganking. If you can get to the enemy champion without using your mobility spell(s), then you can save it to catch them after they try to escape (Flash, dash, blink, etc).
You should should try to stay between the enemy and their escape route. You should be trying to move backwards (towards their escape) in-between attacks so that you can body-block them and slow their escape. This also leaves you closer to them if they try to dash on blink past you.
Use Raptor's smite buff to determine if you have been spotted by wards when ganking to reduce the risk of them escaping or receiving a counter-gank.
It can be risky to gank top-lane while Dragon is up since the enemy team can just group and take it 4v3. I'd recommend ganking top-lane early if possible (after your initial clear) and when Dragon is down; that lane can be quite snowbally due to isolation, so you want to get your ally ahead.
Learn to recognize the general times when buff camps spawn during games. If you see the enemy gank bottom lane while their top-side buff is up, you can go steal it from them.
Watch when top and bottom lane initially go into lane. If that lane has leashed for their jungler (missing health, mana, or showed up to lane a bit late), then you know where the enemy jungler has likely started and where they will end their clear (where is closest for them to gank).
If you have killed the enemy laner, you can either allow your laner to freeze or shove the lane into the enemy tower. If you shove the wave under tower and the next minion wave is coming up, it can be helpful to proxy it to ensure that the wave fully resets and the enemy laner misses as much as possible. This is very situational though and you will have to learn when through experience.

Other tips:

Whenever possible, walk up to the enemy champion during a gank and save your gap-closer for after they use their escape abilities.
Watch the enemy laners when they go into lane. Whichever lane shows up later and/or missing mana will likely indicate which side of the jungle the enemy jungler started on (which is useful for predicting gank paths and for counter-jungling).
When against aggressive early counter-junglers (i.e. Shaco) it can be a good idea to start on your buff camp and/or to start on a different side than you usually do. If he invades your buff, you've already taken it and/or you aren't there to be killed.
Watch the minimap to see when and where the enemy goes to ward, which laners are pushing, which laners are vulnerable
Know, roughly, how most laning matchups go so that you can prioritize which lanes are the easiest to gank or require an early gank to decide the matchup.
If you have blown an enemy's Flash during a gank but haven't killed them, swing back around immediately after an gank them again. Many people don't expect it
If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.
Top laners rarely bother warding the lane bushes. As such, lane ganks can be quite surprising and effective.
When you kill an enemy laner, shove the minion wave into the tower so they miss gold and experience and so that the minion wave will reset to the middle of the lane. If you can get away with it, clear the upcoming minion wave as well to ensure the reset and maximum missed minions.

You will learn a lot through experience, but these tips should help you at the start.

it be lìke thatApr 23, 20161 votes

I felt the ap build slipping so i just threw something together as i went, that build actually performed decently but there is room for improvement for sure, it was simply just throwing on items i thought could work well and trying them individually.

The DeckownerApr 23, 20161 votes

My advoce is DONT PLAY AD EVELYN.

the main stream evelyn build are either runic echo into sunfire iceborngunlet, or if u dont like the nerfed item then try runic echo lich bane rylais

GenghisEmoApr 23, 20161 votes

Well choose a no skill op champ. Spam the champ...

And pray to our lord and saviour, Faker, that you climb.

Elo hell is real even when ppl say it doesnt. You know something is up when you get 40LP a win, and lose 10LP during loss, but W/L is 35% trying to go solo and not get boosted, clearly Ranked is compensating for something (especially when even when i lose i get S+, only one that won lane, and the one with least deaths and best positioning for a low elo player).