Why doesn't Sion get double stacking on howling abyss?

Ralanr·Jun 14, 2016·69 votes·9,046 views

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RiotMeddlerJun 15, 201653 votes

We took a look at all the stacking champs on ARAM. Nasus was struggling, so he got some love. Sion by contrast already does quite well there, despite his stacking mechanic, so we didn't make any ARAM specific changes to him.

RalanrJun 15, 20162 votes

Thank you for the insightful response, Meddler.

Dan AbnormalJun 15, 20161 votes

sion stacks on kill participation (10hp each) as well as on minion so its not an issue on aram

MyozthirirnJun 15, 20161 votes

Just like veigar or kindred

kasfasJun 15, 20161 votes

Not on minions... Otherwise it would be easy to get 500 hp at the end of laning.

Edge of DaybreakJun 15, 201610 votes

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We took a look at all the stacking champs on ARAM. Nasus was struggling, so he got some love. Sion by contrast already does quite well there, despite his stacking mechanic, so we didn't make any ARAM specific changes to him.

Gonna just ask general questions. Are other champions who struggle in aram going to receive anything? Any progress on Aram being actually random. Aram only accounts are getting more prevelant from what I have experienced and well if I dont face lux ziggs or xerath at least every other game I get surprised. And it's easy to tell too from the summoner names and the fact that the accounts only play aram even when premade with other people. It's kinda like how bot accounts in Co-op vs AI is a problem where both modes have huge cancers in them but neither is being addressed or talked about. Sorry if that sounds rude but I enjoy these modes and seeing them turn into this is just awful.

B1naryB0tJun 15, 20168 votes

Boy, Meddler pops his head out for a second and everyone wants to ask about everything.

ChaosThiefJun 15, 20162 votes

Kind of how it is with riot members. They come along at such unusual times that usually people think that they have to ask questions.

Faceroll TacticsJun 15, 20164 votes

It's an issue with Riot where they hardly tell us anything, we need to ask around whenever they pop up.

CherysseJun 15, 20162 votes

You should just try to also add item 3302 into his recommended tank build in ARAM Nasus , it helps him farm his Q, a mix of it and AP items do well in him, as well as Hybrid Penetration runes to take adventage of his E crazy damage and armor reduction paired with his Q.

BTW; when will we ever get an Hybrid Penetration item?

RalanrJun 15, 20161 votes

Why not get hybrid pen runes?

CherysseJun 15, 20161 votes

Oh I already have them, I just wish there was some kind of item 3136 + item 3134 15 hybrid pen item, it would make my life easier, add 10% cooldown reduction to it and I will be having wet dreams.

RalanrJun 15, 20162 votes

Considering how CDR is on everything these days...eh, I can't complain. This allows Sion to get 40CDR with full tank.

And I love 36 seconds as a cooldown for my ult.

kile147Jun 15, 20161 votes

Why do you need Hybrid pen? Hybrid damage already inherently defeats tanks by forcing them to build both armor and MR, and most hybrid champs defeat squishies by just dealing tons of damage. I'm not trying to say it's an awful idea, I just can't think of a champ I would build hybrid pen on because most of the time I value AS or tank stats more.

CherysseJun 15, 20161 votes

There are some champs that do just too well with Hybrid pen due to their mechanics, Nasus is one of them, His E has an Insane poke capacity and damage, and also reduces a lot of armor, his Q scales alone but is physical damage and it is important to have armor pen, more important than AD, finally, Nasus R is usually forgotten, the mechanics of his ult ARE AWESOME, with magic penetration you max it's damage wich is % life, and the more damage it actually deals the more AD you will receive from it, making Hybrid Penetration important on him, and making him able to land some hard to believe nukes both from range and melee.

Aatrox is another good example, with an hybrid-tank build he is no longer a drain tank only, as he becomes able to land between multiple enemies, knock them up and deal a burst AoE damage of an about 1200 damage in just 2 seconds, add any Hydra to it and you get the idea.

Hybrid Penetration items are just an inexplored idea with lots of potential.

Check my Hybrid Item concept http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/Eq4muc8t-the-blade-of-truth?comment=00000000000000000000

Mig89Jun 15, 20161 votes

hybrid pen works on some kayle and some teemo builds as well.

Xenos11111Jun 15, 20161 votes

Not entirely related (although it kind of is since he's terrible on ARAM too), but is Aatrox going to get any love soon? It feels like he's been more forgotten than Yorick.

3ofGot40veJun 15, 20161 votes

Most people go AP Nasus tbh, its even the rec. build.

GrReaper96Jun 15, 20165 votes

I was wondering about the items item 3070 item 3027 in aram. Why dont they get the reduced staking like in TT? Aram is significantly shorter than SR hence stacking needs to be faster. They should be changed to the TT version item 3073 item 3029

Blue Moon WolfJun 15, 20162 votes

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but after a few ARAM matches, I've noticed Poking has become a big problem again. To the point that if you are facing a team of 5 poke champs vs a team of 3 pokes and 2 shorter ranged champs, the 5 man poke team pretty much stomps the other. Is there anything planned incase this continues to be an issue after the changes have had some time to settle in?

SiG DxDJun 15, 20161 votes

garen? 40 min to stack W??? and nothing on maps like ascension.

GaleWinUnleashedJun 14, 201618 votes

I'd guess because he also gets stacks on champion assists, which are fairly plentiful in ARAM.

RalanrJun 14, 201613 votes

You know, that is fair.

CherysseJun 15, 20161 votes

Give me your blessings Ralanr

RalanrJun 15, 20167 votes

By my unranked scrub ass, you have my blessing.

CherysseJun 15, 20161 votes

My latin american north platinum ass thanks you, now I know I may get to diamond.

RalanrJun 15, 20163 votes

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Mig89Jun 15, 20161 votes

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MandaariJun 15, 20167 votes

Sion is already one of the strongest champions in HA. He just doesn't need it:

http://www.lolking.net/champions/sion?region=na&map=ha&queue=normal#statistics

RalanrJun 15, 20161 votes

Yeah, Sion does feel like the king of ARAM.

FishtacoJun 15, 201610 votes

No need to turn while ulting ;) http://i.giphy.com/k0ZnSJN5qcqdi.gif

FantasySniperJun 15, 20164 votes

His base kit is stronger in general compared to how much the other champions rely on their stacks. Same reason they don't do it for Veigar.

Jungle Lux GodJun 15, 20164 votes

Nasus got double stacking on howling abyss because he isn't guaranteed to get minions on that map. Between enemy champions being able to poke him out of farm and allied champions also trying to get farm from the same minions he has, it's really hard to get stacks with Nasus.

Sion, on the other hand, isn't quite so reliant on stacks. His base kit has significantly more utility than Nasus' kit (multiple slows/knockups and an armor shred vs. a large slow and an armor shred), while his early game is also extremely powerful. Finally, Sion also gets stacks from kill or assist, which he gets a lot of on Howling Abyss (well, he at least gets a lot of the latter, not much of the former).

Veigar is a bit similar. He can farm stacks on hitting enemy champions or getting kills or assists, and since he's doing all three of those a lot he's still going to get tons of stacks.

Only Play DariusJun 14, 20163 votes

Because he gets a full stack off every assist, he can start item 3751 and as long as he stays remotely close to the fights he actually gets stacks at an absurd rate.

Not every stacking champ needs to be buffed for ARAM, look at Veigar .

Nasus is different because he not only has a useless early game (which is already a death sentence itself in ARAM), but has to somehow last hit from a single lane of minions, being shared by 4 other people, while constantly being poked by 5 other people, without being allowed to recall or teleport.

SpoofghoulJun 14, 20161 votes

meaning he wont get any stacks anyway

lets be honest its a dumb buff because evryone will still be going ap

Only Play DariusJun 15, 20162 votes

It's better than nothing.

revliledpembrokeJun 15, 20161 votes

It means that the two minion you do manage to snag gets you twice as much as before.

JambajewzJun 14, 20161 votes

He genuinely doesn't need it, he's quite strong on that map, his drastically increased ability to effectively use his passive shores up any possible weaknesses he has, and he farms relatively easily for a melee on that map.

Bard in a DiaperJun 15, 20161 votes

because sion is probably top 5 in melee champs for having on ARAM. his hide in bush AOE knockup, annoying passive in an enclosed space, and ult are all very strong on ARAM. and once you get warmogs he has insane sustain like garen/mundo all the other annoying super tanks late game on aram.