Illaoi Needs Immediate Nerf.

Kryptone·Nov 24, 2015·30 votes·19,357 views

Hello Guys,

Well with the release of Illaoi, I'm pretty sure many of you already tried it. And as you might have noticed she is insanely overpowered. What can I say. The enemy have like no escape. Tentacles everywhere, Illaoi's use range, spirit steal skill, insane damage. She doesn't even need to attack enemy to kill it. I was first time using Illaoi, without even checking spotlight or reading much about skills. I was on top lane against 2 opponents Nasus and Nocturne. ....I was max HP, they kept dying without any efforts. They couldn't touch turrets.

Well, I hope it gets nerfed soon.

76 Comments

royalpasteNov 24, 20158 votes

It's kinda bullshit her tentacles can Spawn under your turret without taking Argo. Every champion that can spawn stuff has their minions/turrets attacked by tower. Also that damage with just a long sword is insane. How does this stuff make it past pbe

Big LincolnNov 24, 20156 votes

because her damage is insanely telegraphed just like every other champion of the same nature

royalpasteNov 24, 20152 votes

Then you should try fighting her as a melee its almost impossible. The tentacles do way to much damage and heal illaoi. She's like and worse version of heim, if heim was ad and melee.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 29, 20153 votes

I have darius, fiora, riven, aatrox, mundo, ekko, and any non-trash top laner wrecks her if you know how to reposition yourself.

That's why she's at a 42% win rate atm

Riot might in the first time be forced to rework a new champion, I would suggest http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/16saqRzt-riot-illaoi

FynoLDec 6, 20157 votes

Who cares about her win rate the fact is her ad scaling is fken stupid i built her with 2 damage items titanic hydra and trinforce rest was tank (deadmans spirt so on) i go into a 2v5 and ult and get quadra in just 4 seconds from spamming w had a total ad of about 240 or some sht and her q scales to 450bonus ad damage then her tentacles were the same i played vsing her as yorick top lane was forced to build very tanky due to it had ninja tabi thornmail frozen heart iceborn spirit and ga still she hits for 1900+ damage in 3 seconds she is completely broken like half the new release champs (anyone remember xin on release or diana) fact remains she does need a nerf to her scaling and to srsly do sht with her e yes u can hit her to lower the time spirit is out for but moment u go in she just w and q u and ur basicly dead so dont sit there and say she doesnt need to be nerfed u have just played against brain damaged kids who suck at her any decent player will completely sht on any champ top and the game with my quadra was my 1st game with her after release after that i was like nope

EcchiOtakuTMDec 6, 20152 votes

Obviously you're the one who faced unexperienced enemies and especially the "First Game" dont make me laugh try playing her at least 20-50 times in high. You only get away with her kit most of the time cause you face inexperienced who dont even know the basics of positioning

Q- just dodge, W- avoid the tentacles, E- dodge if you get hit you can just fight her to make it dissapear or walk out of range and kill 3 tentacles if you dont feel confident, and R- walk away and wait for it to end

While if you really get practice in, just buy executioner blade to render her useless, and well-timed CC mid W/R makes them both go on full CD and do nothing. Please stop trying to make her sound like some god when she's the worst champ in game atm in terms of usefulness.

no reliable CC, short ranged gap closer, no mobility, not even a speed modifier, not an engager or frontliner in the least, sure she has damage but it's meaningless if experienced players just walk away if CC you before you can get off ulti in the first place.

Oh her one redeeming quality is she's still new so some beginners havn't adjusted to her yet.

TL;DR Win rates of Plat+ where people aren't dumb do matter fyi, since they know to actually outplay instead of just playing braindead like the people you apparently faced.

FynoLDec 7, 20153 votes

outplaying her means jackshit with that damage had to vs another one top was malphite had total of 638 armor guess wat died in under 6 seconds with her tentacles hitting over 2200 yea she doesnt need a nerf yes i get u must dodge but in a teamfight where she has 5 tentacles if not more if someone is a vessel u can have up to 8 tentacles hitting u and when everyone is bunched in a fight yea gl ur logic is completely retarded u are either brain damaged or are a troll and she doesnt need cc or gap closers when she can basicly 2 shot everyone she can out damage a full tank hp sv volibear with his passive running her scaling is wat makes her broken other then that shes balanced as fk all they gotta do is drop the scaling and if u think im the only one saying this ur stupid as fk there are well known utubers who have even said the same thing her scaling is broken and makes her downright insane sounds familiar

EcchiOtakuTMDec 7, 20152 votes

Completely retarded? Have you ever tried positioning/disengage? No? Ok please proceed to quit the game for your stupidity and lack of knowing how to play a strategy game.

Guyy FieriDec 9, 20152 votes

Illaoi is a brawler. She wants to do that type of thing. There's nothing broken about it, it just means you might have to change your play style. Malphite would be an awful pick into Illaoi. No range, worse mana issues than Illaoi, just not good in that situation. Pick a ranged champion who doesn't need to be in tentacle range to deal damage. I haven't tried it but I feel like Jayce would be good I to her just saying.

zlumpyJun 20, 20161 votes

I feel like Ez would work wonders up top against her in top lane. Plus it isn't like late game ez doesn't bring anything so you aren't really hurting the team.

AxleLynxxDec 9, 20151 votes

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Obviously you're the one who faced unexperienced enemies and especially the "First Game" dont make me laugh try playing her at least 20-50 times in high. You only get away with her kit most of the time cause you face inexperienced who dont even know the basics of positioning

Q- just dodge, W- avoid the tentacles, E- dodge if you get hit you can just fight her to make it dissapear or walk out of range and kill 3 tentacles if you dont feel confident, and R- walk away and wait for it to end

While if you really get practice in, just buy executioner blade to render her useless, and well-timed CC mid W/R makes them both go on full CD and do nothing. Please stop trying to make her sound like some god when she's the worst champ in game atm in terms of usefulness.

no reliable CC, short ranged gap closer, no mobility, not even a speed modifier, not an engager or frontliner in the least, sure she has damage but it's meaningless if experienced players just walk away if CC you before you can get off ulti in the first place.

Oh her one redeeming quality is she's still new so some beginners havn't adjusted to her yet.

TL;DR Win rates of Plat+ where people aren't dumb do matter fyi, since they know to actually outplay instead of just playing braindead like the people you apparently faced.

Fight her when she pulls your soul? thats instant dealth a level 3 illaoi does 400 damage with her q and so much with everthing else

And you cant dodge tenticals when she has ulted you they go wayyy to fast to even move

EcchiOtakuTMDec 10, 20152 votes

It's not, esp on champs with a DoT or range it's easy just dodge Q and hammer away while she's on the spirit. If you don't have any form of DoT or range unless you're very experienced I would suggest just leaving the area and killing 3 tentacles

But you can walk away from any illaoi with ulti up. I havn't had any illaoi who had a certain kill ulti even in baron pit because my team makes sure to first and foremost buy executioner to make her healing worthless, then proceed to CC her once and kill her during ulti or just walk away and her ulti is useless, sure it can provide heavy objective control, but if you think it's a good time to baron with an illaoi up that's 100% a bad idea and will throw a game which people love to do.

And since the minion pathing is great again illaoi is even weaker cause now i'm not stuck in minions trying to avoid her move.

Lil HiroJan 6, 20162 votes

illaoi is way to strong essay to dodge yes but in a team fight its like a nunu ult u cant dodge and does massive damage. 1v1 lv 1 impossible for most top laners to fight. ap tops cant face her, even counters and more dont know what to say about countering her but use people who move fast. her heath regain is hard to face i seen a 7-0 ww lose to her in healing witch gets rid of waricks only good quality in the game if shes going to have that much damage they need to do something about the heal or vice versa. Illaoi = not fun game top; can win later very few top lanes can deal with her

EcchiOtakuTMJan 7, 20161 votes

Dodge the Q

2 Dodge the E, if hit by I doubt you would dodge blitz/thresh. However kill 3 tentacles

If hit by w just dodge tentacles
CC her mid-w to completely stop it completely
Don't stay clumped up if she has ulti and when she ultis just back off and regroup she becomes even more useless
Ask the ADC to buy 800g executioner's calling
To really make illaoi cry CC her as soon as she tries to ultis
While laning drop nearby tentacles to 1 HP so when you're about to fight you can kill them and the new one that spawns giving her no tentacle.

Proceed to realize why illaoi is bad and a useless champ.

ErdamonNov 24, 20155 votes

First people are calling Kindred "her"

Now they are calling Illaoi "it"

I'm slowly losing my faith in this community even more

biobirbbyyNov 25, 20151 votes

If you lose faith so fast, I suggest you leave before you have a bad time xD

jk I <3 you

ErdamonNov 25, 20152 votes

I am but a vessel at this point

7ha7guy777Nov 25, 20155 votes

So the fact that you were against a duo lane and nasus probably couldn't farm because nocturne auto pushes had nothing to do with it?

EleraxNov 29, 20153 votes

Illaoi doesn't need a nerf, and here is why.

*Top lane is her only role that is viable. Mid has mages with range that shoot tentacles. *As a support, she would take CS from adc with her Q while harassing enemies. *She can't jungle, her ganks are very weak because there are no tentacles. *If she is an open spot in a team fight, she barely does anything without her R. *She has no escape other than to fight or to flash out. *In teamfights, if there is crowd control, she is useless. *Her Q can easily be dodged if you are paying attention and aren't really close. *She gets smashed by anyone that can attack from a decent distance and can harass while getting CS.

Now I don't play ranked yet, but this is what I've gathered from draft picks. There's so many negatives to her too.

Zer0riginMar 11, 20161 votes

You're wrong.

FlurgerNov 30, 20153 votes

I agree with you for a nerf. For those of you that disagree and say she is bad, just hear me out.

For higher elo (I judge that to be like gold 2 upwards), she isn't very good. You can dodge her abilities easily, and shut her down really early. She has no escape and close to no engage. Her lvl 1 damage can be countered, and she isn't strong, at all unless fed.

The problem lies in Riot's largest player base: low elo (gold 3 below). We (I'm bronze 2) are not good at dodging nearly as well as high elo players. The abilities are really wide and do a lot of damage. We constantly get hit by them. When she gets her pull thing, we can't escape it and eventually die from it. We are not as good as high elo, and she is completely and utterly broken down here. She gets 2 kills, and she is unstoppable with 1 item. Once she builds tanky, she does a crap ton of damage and can't be killed. She is close to perma-banned down here.

The Boring NerdJun 20, 20161 votes

Ummmmmm, actually, her tentacles are really easy to dodge. Maybe you aren't using the right champs? Use Fiora or something like that.

Mr TonixAug 31, 20161 votes

I main riven, and sometimes Illaoi is easy and sometimes she isn't. Early game, trade like crazy...but if you have no banks on her, and she over takes you in CS... Kiss your lane goodbye. Her ult does stupid damage, lasts forever and in my experience using anything CC does not effect her tentacles you can only auto attack them to make them disappear. So if you can't move in to clear the tentacles, and have no ganks, she will destroy you no matter what. Just played a game and watched her get a Penta kill at level 11, she had 1 item black cleaver and 1 health potion. Thats it. Did 2400 Damage in 4 seconds. illoai needs to be nerfed. She scales way to quickly for champs to catch up with. Not to mention when she roams it brings utter chaos as most other lanes have no way of dealing with her when it becomes 1v2 or 2v3.

IcyPepperNov 24, 20152 votes

I don't believe her tentacles attack you unless she hits you with on of her spells. so there's that's. They also go inert and take one hit to kill if she's far enough.

I think the real issue (I tested her in PBE and mentioned this somewhere?) is that her entire kit deals magic damage, giving her insane cleaver synergy. If you land your entire combo (and I mean opening with E, so you can hit both the champion and their spirit with Q and ult), you can basically 100-0 a bruiser at best.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 29, 20152 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/16saqRzt-riot-illaoi

That's all they gotta do with illaoi her win rate is 42% because she lacks CC, mobility and her kit only has damage but all of it can be avoided by moving and destroying tentacles+ she's one of the easiest characters to gank due to tentacles usually not being near her escape route.

Earl EulrichNov 29, 20151 votes

the thing is...the 40%are for people with 1-5games, her winrate for 5-15games on champion.gg is already at 90% - which is somewhat insane. She somehow spikes insanly hard later in the game, early to mid she´s somewhat balanced.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 29, 20152 votes

her win rate for 5-15 is due to her being new, her win rate the longer she's used is rapidly dropping now that people are getting a feel and understanding when you move, when to respect her ulti and back off for re engage, and how easy she is outside of ulti.

Again she has no CC, she lacks any way to gap close, her e is a conditional slow which can be easily stopped all of her power is mostly from tentacles which won't save someone when an enemy decides to bum rush the adc/mage then get out (alot of assassins)

There's litterally a guide on forums about how to beat illaoi and it's accurate http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/GEGENyGQ-how-to-beat-illaoi-for-all-you-whiners-out-there

alfavhunterNov 29, 20152 votes

The only nerf she needs is when you are a vessel, if you get a certain distance from her the tenticals shouldn't spawn u till she gets within range again

The range of them spawning should be 2X her vision range

EcchiOtakuTMNov 29, 20152 votes

She doesn't need any nerfs she's already at a 42% win rate

What she needs is a rework

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/16saqRzt-riot-illaoi

ShyvauniNov 29, 20152 votes

I only played 1 bot game as her but have had multiple pvp matches against her.

I honestly feel she is balanced as is. I have both lost to and won against her in lane. I just have to remember how to play against her and at worst I do fine I only lose when I get overly confident against her and she punishes me for it.

Hell my respons3 to being made a vessel is I just ignore it and farm up the tentacles while i wait for a minionto get to last hit hp.

IU JUNIEL LUVERNov 30, 20152 votes

Don't think she'l needs nerf Considering you don't know where the tentacles will spawn and no control of when, she's quite squishy Also, champions like blitz and darius.can drag her and instantly kill her away from the tentacles cuz the tentacles don't have a wide range. Even the tentacles are 2 basic attacks and gone curing from any curses

The shadeDec 25, 20151 votes

have you seen the range of her tenicals? ye blitz can take her way but darius he has no chance. darius has his Q that comes up every 6 seconds and is moderate to land and easy to dodge. illaoi has her passive where if you are hit by one of her tenticals she regain a percentage of her missing health and her tentcals at most are easy to dodge

if she is not fcking right next to you

The shadeDec 19, 20151 votes

i would like to say thanks riot you've ruined league im playing a game at the moment. and i feel the need to afk. playing darius top. number one sign somthing is broken. Darius cant kill it the only acception being jax.

she grabbed my soul next thing i know im left with 200 hp nerf this champ ASAP

just another broken aspect being nasus can stack off her passive

alfavhunterDec 19, 20151 votes

All that needs to be done is for her E to be consistent

1-If her allies can attack the spirit then the vessels allies killing the tentacles need to count toward removing vessel

On top of that her E is to much of a 1 point wonder

2-They need to make the kill count for the spawns based on level, example being 1/2/3/4/5 tenticals killed to remove vessel

The 1st would be a direct nerf to E and the 2nd is a readjustment of power that results in a buff to her E to help even out the nerf the first does

The point being it fixes her E from being inconsistent of her allies being able to attack the spirit but the vessel allies not being able to help remove it and it fixes her E from being a one point wonder as it is now

After that she would be fine

Alternatively they could just make Spirit not take damage from anything but her but it shouldn't be her allies can help but vessel allies killing tentacles makes it worse for vessels

OS HadesDec 22, 20151 votes

Illoai is unbelievably over powered. No matter how safe you play, if you are the vessel you are forced to hug tower. Her ad scaling is not okay, she just builds tank and cdr and she still somehow gets plenty of damage through her spells. Also I have found that no matter how far behind (if she somehow loses lane) her ult will always still do insane dmg, which is bullshit, if you were completely shut out in lane, you should not be able to still get easy pentas after clicking r in a team fight.

CaII Me CutieJan 15, 20161 votes

I totally agree, as Illaoi is just no fun to play against. I'd rather play against Teemo, and that's saying something. Illaoi is just too darn overpowered. A nerf would be highly appreciated. Thanks! ~Ej

HabitzJan 15, 20161 votes

I've found the best strategy against her is to just roam and try to help your team out in other lanes.

ShadowWarrior997Feb 6, 20161 votes

She is not overpowered. It's just that she keeps so me busy in destroying those tentacles that I can't even farm with ease ( at least they can increase the killing gold of those thingies.) Q hits even if u are behind minions. You can dodge it but u still take some splash damage. No one can win trade with her in 1v1 because that w brings hell upon you. Once you got hit by that E ability you will probably end up loosing at least two waves and at the same time take insane amount of damage and probably end up recalling and wasting time. You are thinking she is low and u can probably kill her? Think again...she has that bullshit heal from ultimate which deal enough damage to get pentakills in 1v5 situation. Really riot, good job. There is always some people who will say no champion is overpowered, then why many of the champions get nerfed again and again and again? Jax and Illaoi needs immediate nerfs, just saying.

ShadowWarrior997Feb 6, 20161 votes

Gh0stFac3dK1llaFeb 22, 20161 votes

A good Riven can counter her pretty hard

Irelia BotFeb 22, 20161 votes

Just dodge the pink spe... I mean spirit stealing thing.

This works great until it finally hits you and then you either have to commit to a fight that is a really bad deal for you or have 30+ seconds of being in a drastically crippled state for any trades that might happen.

While she is not exactly OP she is oppressive in lane against other melee to the point where the game is no longer worth playing as a melee. Kinda like how Darius use to be.

Basically it is a bad design flaw more then an over tuned/under tuned issue.

SwiftKitten88Feb 22, 20161 votes

league has added a new champion...

the necromancer...

Best Valor NAFeb 22, 20161 votes

Illaoi kills early lvl 6 and lower elos. There is a reason she isn't played as much in higher elos. And you killed the 1v2 because they mustve been underleveled and again - illaoi kills early game.

RJ nuggetsFeb 22, 20161 votes

PLS NERF THAT E AND ULT

Brotkacke HDMar 6, 20161 votes

alle die illaoi spielen müssen reported und gebannt werden. sollange dieser champ nicht generft wurde! alle die diesen champ spielen sind noobs

KrakuMar 16, 20161 votes

Illaoi with tank full tank build still have to much dmg and her "e" is too longer that's why i'm always losing lane with her on enemy :P Illaoi [slayer-jinx-unamused]

NickGamingGRApr 5, 20161 votes

if you want to destroy illaoi then you should pick darius is a good counter but you can also pick wukong i tried many times and trust me it was very good

l Dárius lAug 31, 20161 votes

Yeah she's cancer in solo que especially in low elo but pros don't play her so it actually DOESN' MATTER. /s

MainichiSep 13, 20161 votes

I just find it highly cancerous whenever a Tanky champion is allowed to do as much if not more damage than a carry. Darius, Illaoi, Garen... You can spell their names in the same way. Cancer, Cancer and Cancer. Its not fun to play against those champs, it doesn't feel like there is any counter play and when they kill you and shit on your team because they are tanky and do damage, you just get tilted and upset. Champs like that dont fit into a game that is supposed to be base on "skill". It is a game so... what do you expect. But it sure as hell isn't making itself better with those champs in it. In my opinion, quite the opposite.