'OMG NEW AKALI CAN'T BE HIT BY TOWERS IN HER W"

L Psy Kongroo·Jul 17, 2018·128 votes·21,425 views

Joke's on you, towers are useless anyway.

69 Comments

Modl Ryden lJul 17, 201859 votes

wow

Pantheon item 1054

CeazaruJul 17, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=l Ryden l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BKGnHsgT,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-17T01:43:22.895+0000)

wow

At least he is only invulnerable to one shot. Akali can ignore towers for the duration of her W.

Modl Ryden lJul 17, 20188 votes

Ahhhhh you're also forgetting that he can prime it for one shot then use his W to reset the stacks to block another shot.

There's also the fact that Vladimir can pool to drop turret aggro.

Dog of PavlovJul 17, 20183 votes

At least Vlad gives up mobility for it. He may have been busted recently (and still sorta is), but he isn't dashing around WHILE being untargetable... that's the frustrating part. And especially for Vlad pool if you have cc, you can set it up easily for when he exits it.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 17, 20185 votes

And Akali is giving up the ability to leave the circle while she does so.

Being in the circle has always reduced her effective mobility. Sure, she runs a lot faster inside of it, but she's still stuck in the circle if she wants to stay invisible.

BIFFJul 17, 20181 votes

Vlad as well as any other champ eith an aggro drop gives up all of their other play making abilities to do so in this case when vlad pools he can do little else but hover around.

This Akali on the other hand does not sacrifice anything from her kit she cqn use all of her abilities from within the cloud abd even auto at the risk of taking a single shot before dropping aggro. She can do this for 5+ seconds. With no visibility or counterplay unless your champ has AoE.

agac4234Jul 17, 20181 votes

vlad can use his abilites while his in his pool just not his Q and he can get the healing from his R and still do dmg. vlad is exactly like akali in the sense of her W.and if akali draws aggro from a tower she will still get hit my the tower shot vlad will not

Dokueki KenshinJul 17, 20184 votes

You should watch that ability preview carefully. When she’s under an enemy tower, she’s clearly visible within her shadow shroud. The thing that changes is that you can’t auto-attack her or hit her with targeted abilities. You CAN hit her with skill shots and AoE, by what I understand though, since those don’t require you to directly target her hitbox.

Dog of PavlovJul 17, 20181 votes

You are missing the point. Vlad does not have OTHER mobility in his kit, while Akali has so many dashes on top of this. It basically took her dashing kit to a whole new level.

agac4234Jul 17, 20181 votes

read the last part.but slowly

It Hertz When IPJul 17, 20181 votes

If you're talking about the last part of Ryden's comment, Dog is countering with the argument that Vlad's pool isn't nearly as BS as Panth's Aegis, because his pool leaves him vulnerable to well-timed skillshot/AoE based CC.

agac4234Jul 17, 20181 votes

And especially for Vlad pool if you have cc, you can set it up easily for when he exits it. this is what i was talking about. and am kinda new to the boards so i dont really know how to quote someone

It Hertz When IPJul 17, 20181 votes

Click "Quote" instead of "Reply" Any text paragraphs that start with > will be included in the quote; feel free to remove the parts of the original post/comment that you aren't talking about.

agac4234Jul 19, 20181 votes

ohh thanks

Ok sure but whyJul 17, 20189 votes

Pantheon Fizz Elise Vladimir Kled welcoming Akali to the club

FridgesArePpl2Jul 17, 20186 votes

and MasterYi Kayn Lissandra Shaco Xayah

Ok sure but whyJul 17, 20185 votes

Aatrox Camille Ekko Kayle Maokai RekSai Taric Tryndamere

Shrek LuigiJul 18, 20182 votes

Bard

Ok sure but whyJul 18, 20181 votes

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Arcane Blue BoiJul 18, 20182 votes

Talon towers get confused when he jumps over walls. Thats what happens when nobody toucha my spaghet codding

fudgecakeyheadJul 17, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=l Ryden l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BKGnHsgT,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-17T01:43:22.895+0000)

wow

i mean, at least you can still see panth...

PICKLE RICK REEEJul 18, 20181 votes

Evelynn

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 201818 votes

That's a gap in the logic I've seen in several boards post.

"OMG Akali can't be hit by turrets this is stupid!"

"She still can be, even if she re-stealths. As long as the projectile is in the air, it will still hit her"

"Yeah like thats gonna do anything, towers are useless"

....then why are you upset that the towers can't target her?

Teridax68Jul 17, 201819 votes

In an environment where towers were to ever become strong at deterring dives, as many players would like, such an ability would cheapen towerdiving by allowing Akali to limit the number of tower shots she would take. She may still take one tower shot, but she will nonetheless be able to drop this ability to evade further applications. In an League where dives are already often far too easy to pull off, having an ability like this only adds fuel to the fire.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 201813 votes

And if towers became that strong, then other champions would not be able to make dives like that, giving Akali a defined niche that she could reliably make a tower dive kill.

Teridax68Jul 17, 201810 votes

... which is not a niche players seem to want to begin with. "Can tower dive more reliably" is not considered particularly fun when it's happening now, so why would it be then?

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 20183 votes

If we only did things that the boards liked, Assassins wouldn’t be a thing, CC heavy champions would be nerfed, champs like Yi or Yasuo would be walking gold sacks with no ability to do anything.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 17, 20183 votes

God beware we reduce the absurd amount of CC in this game. it's fun and entertaining when you stand still as darius for 5 seconds because you get chain CC'd. You know some people would like to move their character.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 20185 votes

And what about the people who like playing those CC heavy champions, like being able to lock down enemies and peel for their team? Do they just get screwed over, because some people don’t like a valid counter strategy to them?

Darius gets countered by CC. That’s his weakness. Sorry, we don’t remove that because Darius players don’t like being countered.

Steel LadyJul 17, 20186 votes

I agree, a lot of people keep making the misconception of Akali being able to just ignore turrets all in all. It's really not the case, if you tower dive as an Akali, you're constantly using spells and autos which do indeed reveal you from the smoke making you vulnerable to turret aggro. All her stealth does is give her the agency for an escape. Assassins like Zed and Talon have been diving turrets for years while still being able to escape using their w and e respectively, Akali just makes it looks easier.

It's funny how players overreact, they did the exact same thing with more unique abilities such as Ekko's ult and Kayn's E ("omg why can he walk through walls, riot wtf how is this balanced"), you guys can't label things OP just because you've never seen them in-game, it's good to see something new and fun added to the game, it won't be fun to play against, but that doesn't mean that Akali's breaking the game.

sobi999Jul 17, 20184 votes

Trust me, zed and talon are considered cancerous for a reason.

NyarlathοtepJul 17, 20185 votes

Almost all assassins have the niche to tower dive without being afraid of the turret. Actually, hardly a niche nowadays.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 20181 votes

And he set up a situation where towers were much stronger, meaning that all those other champions wouldn’t be able to tower dive as easily.

The Space CowboyJul 17, 20181 votes

MasterYi

Spank the FoxJul 17, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BKGnHsgT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-17T01:09:54.401+0000)

That's a gap in the logic I've seen in several boards post.

"OMG Akali can't be hit by turrets this is stupid!"

"She still can be, even if she re-stealths. As long as the projectile is in the air, it will still hit her"

"Yeah like thats gonna do anything, towers are useless"

....then why are you upset that the towers can't target her?

Let’s also add on the fact her passive, main source of damage from the looks of it, also require her to dart out into vision constantly.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 20183 votes

You are incorrect. The passive requires her to leave the range of the circle created around the spell hit.

Spank the FoxJul 17, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BKGnHsgT,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-07-17T13:06:07.471+0000)

You are incorrect. The passive requires her to leave the range of the circle created around the spell hit.

That’s what I meant, sorry was being ambiguous.

To proc her passive, she’ll need to leave the circle, meaning she’ll more than likely need to leave her smokescreen to achieve that.

Tomoe GozenJul 17, 201811 votes

She can be hit by towers, just not when she's in the shroud chilling.
If she decides to attack you in its range, she's going to de-stealth and be targeted. And she also has her silhouette visible by the Oracle's Lens.

Dream WispsJul 17, 20185 votes

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The EcdysiastJul 17, 20186 votes

There is no way around it. That's easily speculated without having to play against it.

To think there would be just because she hasn't been released yet is denying the easily-seen reality. It's like saying there's a way to damage Tryndamere during his ultimate that we just have to figure out or a way to hit Fizz during his E. It's just one of those abilities that if used as intended -- not even particularly well, just as designed -- will have no counter to it.

big boi edriJul 17, 20184 votes

Isn't she still able to take damage from AOE and non targeted abilities?

For instance, Syndra could still use her non ulti abilities to damage her.

RaiyzaJul 17, 20182 votes

Yes, but unless its under your tower, good luck trying to hit her.

FridgesArePpl2Jul 17, 20183 votes

this thread is specifically about when she's under the tower...

RaiyzaJul 17, 20182 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

The EcdysiastJul 17, 20181 votes

Maybe if it were still a small circle instead of a doughnut.

Ariel the CruelJul 17, 20185 votes

The smoke screen drops aggro. Watching the announcement videos, she still gets hit.

Also... Fizz Vladimir Xayah Zed Pantheon Welcome to the club, Akali! XD

xZabaksxJul 18, 20181 votes

MasterYi

BluerikuJul 17, 20184 votes

Ok people are crying so much about Akali's W, seriously chill out its not as bad as you think it is, for one it only last five seconds unless she steps out and back in to extended duration by a second or 2. Second if Akali just stands still in it you can see her location, Third her turret dives are not as good as Zed, vlads or Fizz, why? because those champs can basically ignore the turret vs Akali which is vulnerable to tower shots if she attacks. Please people just think about it really, there is counter play to this ability so relax.