So Riot, any ETA on when Runic Armor will finally work with Iron Man and Granite shield?

Malicious Metal··56 votes·3,243 views

Preseason's been out for a while an it's drawing to a close and with the nerfs to veteran scars most tanks use Runic armor instead. And yet there are two burly fighters whose passive shields aren't affected in any way by the mastery. Namely Mordekaiser and Malphite (M'n'M's).

It's been posted many times before on the bug section and CertainlyT even confirmed on the PBE boards that it SHOULD work.

So, can those two finally get their shields to be increased properly?

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Timely Voidling16 votes

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Malicious Metal16 votes

desperately

We got Morde in the Juggernaut update, Koggles in the Marksmen, will it be Vel next?

Timely Voidling3 votes

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Malicious Metal12 votes

Objectively speaking Rengar could use a rework seeing that his current play pattern's not really healthy but his themes and designs are some of the coolest in league.

HighH11 votes

If they pull a Mordekaiser on Vel'koz I'm quitting even though I barely play Vel'koz

Bârd4 votes

You mean turn him into a marksman?

But isn't he already one?

Velkoz <3item 3031

Hello I am Bird2 votes

The crit animation doe :v

Retillin1 votes

Swain sadly. All we hear is "how terrible he is right now".

Champion Skin2 votes

Counting Skarner as juggernaut was also rather strange (given he actually had some mobility and he was kind of focused on utility with his ult and stun and not damage like most juggernauts) And the rework didn't really change much for Skarner it didn't solve any of his problems...

Prospector Pete9 votes

Yeah, but their names aren't spelled L-E-E S-I-N so it's not a top priority.

Old Man Teeto4 votes

Don't worry, Season 7 is only a year away now.

Pikmints3 votes

I think Riot has a balancing protocol against certain "free" abilities like Malphite's passive. That would explain why things like Teemo's E and Twitch's passive won't proc Spellthief's, Rylai's, or Liandry's, because passive abilities have the potential to be such a source of synergy that it could become a constant obstacle to be overcome.

Things like Brand's DoTs, a support's shields, or even an item's active would require a cooldown being used + either a spell cost or a gold investment. That being said, Mordekaiser can only charge his shield through abilities so he does burn the same resources as other champs to stack his passive, the only difference being that he uses health where most (all?) other shields would use mana. I could see them keeping Malphite's interaction being the way it is based on this track record, but Morde is in a different boat.

I see two possible reasons Riot would want this interaction on Mordekaiser. If Riot really wanted masteries to be something people think about this season, making that mastery synergize with his kit like that would pretty much make that mastery mandatory for Mordekaiser since it would work so incredibly well. The other reason could be the possible balance issues it could cause since this mastery roughly translates to Morde taking 8% less damage throughout a match.

I'm not going to actively defend either of the possibilities, but Riot's balance will always end up being absolute. Riot expects champs like Mundo to buy Spirit Visage, but were it not in the game there's no doubt that his ultimate's heal would be stronger. If Riot did believe either of the ideas mentioned, changing the interaction between the mastery and his passive would without a doubt result in Riot nerfing his shield.

AhhShucks3 votes

I've always found it odd that teemo's E doesn't apply any spell effects while Cho's applies pretty much every effect in the game.

Retillin1 votes

While I don't disagree, we saw Yas/Tryn double dip with their crit passive at the start of Warlord's. So either they are learning, or just wanted to give free power to some champs and not others.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

I could be wrong, but isn't the interaction on Runic Armor and Granite Sheild the same type of thing with DFT and Liandries? Riot responded on an old Post that Liandries doesn't proc DFT because it doesn't proc on "free" damage?

On that note, I don't explicitly state it for Morde since he has health costs, (does he use his shield to pay for his health costs or no), but with Malphite, he doesn't do much for his passive other than not get hit in a bit.

Champion Skin1 votes

Nope the reason DFT and Liandries and such doesn't trigger each other is because they are labeled/counted as Proc damage and not DoT (to prevent loops) and nothing work off proc damage (except Gunblade lifesteal)

However I am pretty sure Malphite and Morde passive is still counted as shield

SettDownShutUp1 votes

More likely than not they'll want to wait and see if their changes to mordekaiser balance him, then make that decision. 10% is a lot when it comes to characters whose shield increase naturally with health.

Zedex1 votes

A bit related, but I don't think it works with Yasuo's innate shield either.

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